Quenya Classroom

2005-03-21 [Lady Diamanta]: I was just joking. ^^

2005-03-21 [bluefarie]: ok!

2005-03-21 [ilanyus]: well tolkien was just a big fan of languages :P ... and there is some truth in what you say lady diamanta... Tolkien realized that if this were to be an elven language it would be EXTREMELY OLD... since elves are immortal... so this language would become something like an art... elves speak this language for thousands of years... so they add little subtle things in it to make it more versatile... actually elves always make fun of 'mortal men' trying to speak their language... since they normally make mistakes in these subtle differences

2005-03-21 [bluefarie]: lol..

2005-03-21 [ilanyus]: yeah :P in the first chapters of the fellowship book you find the sentence 'Elen síla lumenn' omentielvo' (A star shines upon the hour of our meeting) ... but if we would really analyse this sentence (said by Frodo) we might conclude it is faulty... since 'omentielvo' states a meeting between 2 people, in stead of Frodo + Sam meeting a group of elves (but you might say that frodo just means him and the elf)

2005-03-21 [Maurer's conclusions]: I think he is referring solely to Gildor and himself.

2005-03-21 [ilanyus]: :) possible and as I said, the sentence is constructed that way... but then he isn't speaking for sam and only greets Gildor... you can interpret it in different ways :)... Gildor does say something like 'nice to meet someone to speak the elven tongue', looking at the other elves... but we might also take this as a sarcastic remark :) ... but as I said before... it's speculation :)

2005-03-22 [Lady Diamanta]: Whoa, that's some nice speculations. I would've never thought of that. ^^

2005-03-22 [ilanyus]: :) actually if you'd read the lessons on that site I gave you will notice they state the same speculation... (A) hehe, but I always think this is the best way to describe that Quenya is just a really subtle language in some respects...

2005-03-23 [Lady Diamanta]: Lol! :P Yeah, subtle, annoyingly subtle. ^^

2005-06-16 [Tears of the Dead Star]: How do you say welcome my friends in Quenya?

2005-06-17 [ilanyus]: I don't know a specific word for 'welcome' ... 'my friends' is easily translated by meldorenyar

2005-06-17 [ilanyus]: 'welcome' could be something like 'well met' ... in Sindarin that would be 'mae govannen'... 'Mae' being the Sindarin equivalent of Manë (Good). 'Govannen' comes from 'Govad-', which means 'to meet' (Lit. 'Walk together') so... in Quenya that would be ovanta-

2005-06-17 [ilanyus]: thus: 'Welcome' = Mani ovantier meldorenyar (singular: Manë ovantië meldonya)

2005-06-17 [ilanyus]: oh BTW... I don't go online that often anymore (haven't been on for about a month now) ... so if there's a question that isn't answered, just message me... I'll get an email and will go online k?

2005-06-18 [Tears of the Dead Star]: Thank you

2005-06-21 [ilanyus]: no problem :) glad I had something else to do around here :P ... maybe I should make a wiki about all kinds of simple sentences? I'll see

2006-04-26 [dayahnaira]: are you still taking students.. I really want to learn this...

2006-04-27 [ilanyus]: Well, I hardly ever come online (once every 3 months or so...) But you should be able to find some things here. I think it's best to google a real elven course. (try to find the site "ardalambion")

2006-04-27 [dayahnaira]: thanks

2008-11-13 [Morgan17]: I'm curious ilanyus...where did you learn all this Quenya and Sindarin, etc?