2006-06-21 [travs the bean]: ok i have a few more trials in the works -
2006-06-22 [TheRogue]: yeah.. thanks man.. you are the singlemost recognized person here in elftown for all your efforts and help. we love you man!
2006-06-22 [travs the bean]: so when do you think we should open the doors :)
2006-06-22 [travs the bean]: still figuring out the best way to tackle the inking trial
2006-06-23 [travs the bean]: Ok i posted 3 tutorials that are absolutky incredible from a friend of mine- his work is fabulous - they are for computer inking and coloring- you can 't beat them - trust me- and i hope you use them. He is not an elftown member- i told you i would be grabbing tutorials from non elftown folk:)
2006-06-25 [Linn Scarlett]: cooool :D -and i cant find the trial pages anymore -_-
2006-06-26 [travs the bean]: we seem to be growing:)
2006-06-27 [Asrun]: Hey, um.. Could everyone please stop asking me to join this wiki? I appreciate it, but I'm too busy right now. :/ Thanks.
2006-06-27 [travs the bean]: Please leave Asrun alone - She has other commitments- so please do not impose on her- and now back to work
2006-06-27 [Calico Tiger]: *slobbers on Asrun* I didn't ask, but my apologies anyhow :D
2006-06-27 [Evilmonk]: *cracks whip* BACK TO IT YOU LOT!!!!
2006-06-27 [Evilmonk]: WHOO-HOO go ELY!!!!
2006-06-27 [Perplexity]: Congrats, Ely! =)
2006-06-27 [Elisha Kelly]: *takes a bow* :P thankyou... and an awful lotta drawing that was too XDDD
2006-06-27 [travs the bean]: well earned
2006-06-28 [Asrun]: I may join eventually, just not at this moment. :3
2006-06-28 [Elisha Kelly]: *pounce tackle hugs* :P
2006-06-29 [travs the bean]: we added 2 more trials
2006-06-29 [travs the bean]: [Elisha Kelly] has earned her knighthood- by accomplishing the second task in trial 2- Plus she has now chosen a squire as well. See knighthood isn't that hard- becoming a master is though:)
2006-06-29 [travs the bean]: Additions have also been made to trial 3- so it's leveled-
2006-06-30 [Elisha Kelly]: yayness!
2006-07-01 [Perplexity]: Alright, sweetie - I'm right behind ya! *cops feel* =9
2006-07-01 [Evilmonk]: *mangiggles*
2006-07-01 [Elisha Kelly]: o.O I don't think I have ever heard a man giggle *sets out to make own man mangiggle*
2006-07-03 [travs the bean]: two new squires have been chosen- the drawing has been furious
2006-07-03 [Steve*O]: http://www.dcc
2006-07-03 [Steve*O]: Jim Lee shows pencils and inks with a Jenny Sparks piece O_o uber awesome
2006-07-03 [travs the bean]: i've seen that
2006-07-03 [Steve*O]: Don't know why--but now that I've seen him work the first thought in my mind is "That's it?!" for the simplicity of his process
2006-07-03 [travs the bean]: yup that's it
2006-07-03 [Steve*O]: lol sounds like I've been making it harder than it needs to be ^_^
2006-07-03 [WestFactor]: This is a pretty nifty idea for a wiki. I can see it being great help for lots of artists. Kudos:)
2006-07-05 [Savien]: Yes very interesting. I like it.
2006-07-05 [travs the bean]: Figured i had to do something proactive for artist instead of complaining about it:")
2006-07-05 [Calico Tiger]: I'm still working on my stuff, btw! Just way short on time >_< Mother-in-law was here for the week and just left. And now I have 2 weeks to have everything packed for the move x_x I don't know how you manage your time so well, travs!
2006-07-05 [Yuriona]: And we're very glad you did. *tries to hide her first attempt at lessons from trav* Heh... ^^'
2006-07-05 [travs the bean]: lol I don't know either my friend- though i am taking off the next 4 days for a little deserved rest so take your time:) part of it is i draw everywhere- always carry a backpack with work in it
2006-07-05 [travs the bean]: i'm looking forward to seeing it yuriona
2006-07-05 [Savien]: I've been looking at the lessons, and I like it. It really inspires creativity, and may help push us to try things we might not ordinarily do. Well done Travs. *applauds*
2006-07-05 [Yuriona]: Thank you kind sir. *bows to travs* I have been sorely lacking in the inspiration and creativity department as well as being less than happy with my level of drawing skill of late. I sincerely hope this will get things moving for me in both departments.
2006-07-05 [Savien]: *pokes Yuri* You know I like your artwork. I'm looking forward to seeing what we can all do here.
2006-07-05 [Savien]: BTW, can we start on the lessons before we actually get a "teacher"?
2006-07-05 [Yuriona]: Owie! *rubs sore area* I know a few people who like my art, I'm just not liking it much of late. :P I am definitely looking forward to seeing everybody's accomplishment
2006-07-05 [Savien]: I know what you mean......it really doesn't matter how many people rave about your work, if you aren't happy with it.
2006-07-05 [Savien]: Thanks. I already have some ideas for the 1st lesson. Now just to find the time.....*goes to look for some*
2006-07-05 [travs the bean]: also you do not have to go in order- they just numbered on how we come up with them:)
2006-07-06 [Savien]: I see. Well I read through lesson 1, and have some rough sketches ready. I'd like someone to look at the rough drafts so I can know if I'm going in the right direction with this. I'll post the thumbs on Dark Arrow: Savien
2006-07-09 [travs the bean]: ok we have a new knight deeterhi has been given knighthood-
2006-07-09 [Perplexity]: yay congrats, deeterhi! can't wait to see your character all finished ^^
2006-07-10 [allenp]: hello?
2006-07-10 [Perplexity]: Hello!
2006-07-10 [allenp]: hiya Tina....TheRog
2006-07-10 [Perplexity]: *looks around* He ain't here. If you would like to leave a message, do so after the beep. *Beep* Hm,they probably want you to be a part of this so you can impart your knowledge on some folks. Give [travs the bean] a shout via private message if you'd be interested.
2006-07-10 [allenp]: *umm...hello..
2006-07-10 [Perplexity]: Maybe he's avoiding creditors...
2006-07-10 [allenp]: tries *hi Travs honey...this is Mom....just wondering how you were doing....do you need any help with laundry hon?....maybe some....COOKIE
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: good morning, back from a much needed vacation - sorta of trying to get back in the groove- hello allen- welcome to the fun i think everything is up there about what this is- also .... my laundry is overbearing and cookies sure sound good right now
2006-07-10 [Mom]: A mom volunteering to do laundry? ROFLMAO
2006-07-10 [allenp]: lol....hey....
2006-07-10 [TheRogue]: haha... :P
2006-07-10 [Mom]: What kid wouldn't? lol
2006-07-10 [Mom]: Whoa...in the same room with Plex,Travs,All
2006-07-10 [allenp]: speaking of age.....its nice to see people in here older than I :)
2006-07-10 [allenp]: there will be no rubbing off in here!
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: yup even us older kids like having our laundry done for them
2006-07-10 [allenp]: amen
2006-07-10 [Evilmonk]: Yeah....I like old people. They smell like oranges! =)
2006-07-10 [allenp]: *sniff*....I dont smell like oranges : /
2006-07-10 [Mom]: =\
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: hey monk- smell like oranges- i think not:) though my 4 kids would tell you more like garlic (which is why i am cutting back)
2006-07-10 [Perplexity]: Or, do oranges smell like old people? Hmmmm....
2006-07-10 [allenp]: lol...I now have 5 kids.....5 KIDS!
2006-07-10 [allenp]: I smell like tired...very..
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: so allen are you looking at joining our merry band of illustrators?
2006-07-10 [Evilmonk]: So I take it the oranges thing is just me? Rhetorical question folks, continue with the creativity.
2006-07-10 [Yuriona]: 5 kids? O_O Eep... I just have two and they're more than enough. ><
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: 4 keeps me in tow
2006-07-10 [Yuriona]: I bet. :) I come from a family of four kids myself so I know what you're in for. That's also why I stopped after two... LOL!
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: yeah but after having the last two i can't see it any other way- :) all 4 of them have been incredible and continue to inspire me to write and draw
2006-07-10 [Yuriona]: *grins* Yeah but I'm home all day with mine so they tend to drive me crazy. And mine are still fairly young at 4 years and 2 years so they're still kinda high maintenance. I knew from the outset I didn't want more than two though. :)
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: lol- 5 to 10 and my sweetheart is home all day as well- gotta hand it to her she is incredible- definatly worth her around. My hat goes off to all the stay at home moms- i don't think people realize how valuable that is nor how much goes into it
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: well with 4 knights and a few more in the wings- (hurry, hurry:)) i am thinking about advertising a little more the dark arrow- though i really like people finding it on their own, helps keep things in check - opinions on that.
2006-07-10 [Mom]: Smooches to all men that value their stay at home Moms.It is the hardest job there is.I had 2 only children...lol 8 years apart seems like a lifetime apart but you never met any two children closer then the 2 of them.I am definately blessed. hardest part of a stay at hom Mom is when the job ends.
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: my dear wife i think dreads that moment
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: anyone can be a youngling- they just have to readit all over and sign up
2006-07-10 [Yuriona]: Yup, I would rather do without a few things and be able to stay at home with my girls then go back to work and let someone else watch them grow up. :) My eldest starts school this September already...time goes by so quickly. *sighs* I kinda like the 'find it on their own' way too. Keeps the riff raff out and you know anyone who takes the time to find the place is serious about learning. XD
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: agreed on all acounts:)
2006-07-10 [Mom]: Ditto...
2006-07-10 [Perplexity]: I don't think we need to actively recruit or anything. Posting it in our houses should be enough to drive the right traffic here, don't you think?
2006-07-10 [TheRogue]: agree
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: i am fine with that
2006-07-10 [Elisha Kelly]: o.O 4 and 5 kids *thwap* your poor wives! I went through the birthing process twice and if my man ever EVER gets me pregnant again I am gonna chop it off with a meat axE!!!! (the last birth hurt... REALLY HURT!)
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: it was mutual choice- we talk of having more, but not for a few more years
2006-07-10 [Elisha Kelly]: :P well in that case... *hides axe* :D mine were happy accidents both... but I am never having more... the last one was a little on the traumatic side.
2006-07-10 [travs the bean]: i am so sorry- i have a lot of respect for what you young ladies go through- mothers should be treated with a lot more respect for what they have to go through to bring us into the world.
2006-07-10 [Elisha Kelly]: :D thanks but it wasn't too bad... it was quick... just that she had a true knot in her cord, and was in distress, and they didn't have time to be gentle in getting her out... but the scariest part is realising that she could have died at anytime in utereo cause of that knot.
2006-07-11 [travs the bean]: i completely understand
2006-07-11 [Yuriona]: I was 10 days overdue with my second child and had to be induced. It didn't help that my eldest was a cholicky baby who screamed half the night for the first three months of her life. O_o I think the only reason I had two was because my hubby [Acerbus] is an only child and I didn't want to have to live with two only children. LMAO!
2006-07-11 [Elisha Kelly]: lol... I adore my girls, though I think I shouldn't have been so blaise about falling pregnant the first time... I had only known Keith a month... but it felt right... and I always go with my instincts XD.
2006-07-11 [Yuriona]: Oh I adore my girls too but I am NOT doing the pregnancy thing again. ><
2006-07-11 [Ocean Soul]: ..you scare me..
2006-07-11 [Elisha Kelly]: lol... I scare myself :P
2006-07-11 [Ocean Soul]: Scary! .. mh.. :P
2006-07-11 [allenp]: im not scurred!
2006-07-11 [Yuriona]: That's 'cause you've never had to actually go through it in person. *pokes allenp* Still, you endured a pregnant wife five times and that's a trial in it's own! XD
2006-07-11 [allenp]: INDEED!
2006-07-11 [Elisha Kelly]: I can giggle about it now... I mean the doctor had to use the bed as leverage (pushing against with foot) to get bubs out with those forceps (keith was laughing at the time!) I mean when you say it, it sounds funny... :P tee hee
2006-07-13 [Asryth]: What a coincidence that you guys are talking about childbirth. My son was finally born on Tuesday morning, the 11th. All 9 lbs. 7 oz. 22 1/2 inches of him. Jonah and his Mommy are taking a much needed nap right now so I thought I would pop on for a bit and share the news. Yay! He is SOOOOOO beautiful!
2006-07-13 [travs the bean]: that is soooooo cool man- i know you've been waiting a long time for this congrats
2006-07-13 [Elisha Kelly]: congratualtion
2006-07-14 [Linn Scarlett]: congrats :D
2006-07-16 [mildrid]: so like ya ...... may i please be acepted into the hallowed walls of this art zion of the time ... i am ready to be a mighty powerFUL.....y
2006-07-16 [Yuriona]: O_o Dude... read the page. The instructions are there.
2006-07-17 [Perplexity]: *sigh*
2006-07-18 [mildrid]: hey dont be hating i though i would make a long but not too long stament ...i just wanted to converse
2006-07-18 [Evilmonk]: But this isn't the place for idle chat. If you want to join follow the instructions but if you want to converse there are plenty of other places specifically for that.
2006-07-18 [TheRogue]: This place is strictly for artists who wish to expound on their abilities. There is no place for conversations. that is for your message boxes. Please understand this. If you are interested in learning more about how to improve your skills, this is the place. If you are only interested in chatting up with someone, please use another wiki. :)
2006-07-18 [bo2]: hello, I really liked to join in. I have already made my user wiki. hope that was okay, and that i did it correctly.
2006-07-18 [Perplexity]: Welcome aboard!
2006-07-18 [KimoN]: ok ive added myself to the list of younglings and started my page! yey! How long before we know if we become squires?
2006-07-19 [Elisha Kelly]: it's not so much a matter of if... but when, and you will become a squire when a knight or master becomes available. In the meantime feel free to start on any one of the trials :D
2006-07-19 [iippo]: This is one of the most impressive wikis I've ever seen. @_@ Could the different colour arrows and other sub-wikis be exported too (so people who come by through the rated wikis list can keep exploring)?
2006-07-19 [KimoN]: The whole idea is really origional, it would be great to have an elftown type site SOLEY for the improvement of artistic skill. There are so many people in elfwood now there is no more community feel. I also think the idea of mentoring artists is great.
2006-07-19 [Perplexity]: In a way it would be neat if Dark Arrow became an entity unto itself, seperate from Elftown. But, perhaps by participating and making DA successful, we can all bring back to ET what was lost, and nuture the artistic community that has recently been floundering.
2006-07-19 [TheRogue]: It would totally be awesome for DA to become it's own standing site.
2006-07-19 [Yuriona]: I'd love for DarkArrow led the way back to what ET once was but I'm not going to hold my breath. :P LOL!
2006-07-19 [Perplexity]: I'm afraid it is too late. There are just too many stupid teenagers here that have no artistic interest - who only want to post pics of their stomachs and tell you they'll kill you if 'u fuk wit my frendz' *rolls eyes*
2006-07-19 [Yuriona]: It is getting a little better. *hugs* The asshole count is down significantly since the application thingy was implemented believe it or not. :P
2006-07-19 [KimoN]: What if we could use the elftown template, to create a new site, where the application process is very hard and demanding? I almost lost interest in wlftown becuase it was really hard to find any other artistic talent. Imagine a community thousands strong, with teaching art as a main commitment. Ok ill stop dreaming...lol
2006-07-19 [Evilmonk]: To quote Aerosmith: dream on. lol
2006-07-19 [Linn Scarlett]: "Dream on, Dreeaaaaaam oooon..." *sings quite out of tune* :p
2006-07-19 [Yuriona]: *cringes and plugs ears*
2006-07-19 [Linn Scarlett]: *stops and looks at yuri feigning confusement* what?
2006-07-19 [Yuriona]: *looks at linn* What?
2006-07-19 [Evilmonk]: I'm bleeding!
2006-07-19 [Linn Scarlett]: O.o'
2006-07-19 [Yuriona]: What??
2006-07-19 [Mom]: Plex teething again?
2006-07-19 [Evilmonk]: Oh you naughty minxes! Keep it claen in the DA or Trav will layeth the smacketh downeth. : )
2006-07-19 [Yuriona]: *unplugs ears* Well, as much as I enjoy a good smaketh downeth, I'll be good for trav's sake. ^^
2006-07-19 [Perplexity]: She certainly isn't ever good for GOODNESS' sake... *smirk*
2006-07-20 [Perplexity]: We got the video on eBay.
2006-07-20 [Yuriona]: DAMMIT! >< I never get any royalties...
2006-07-20 [Evilmonk]: I'd say you were gettin a royal somethin or other in that video. What is that move called again?
2006-07-20 [Yuriona]: Which one? O_o
2006-07-20 [Evilmonk]: I dunno it happens so fast it kind of blurs. I think I see a fist....
2006-07-20 [Yuriona]: :O
2006-07-20 [Evilmonk]: No...it didn't look like that. Something else was in there...I couldn't make it out though. ; )
2006-07-20 [Yuriona]: Could be just about anything then. You know I have a vast collection of uh... accessories. ;)
2006-07-24 [travs the bean]: ahhhh it is good to be back from the con- i am very excited about all that happened i will talk later on that- but it is good to be back- we're still working on things here i noticed a few more members so lets see what we can do to help move people along:)
2006-07-24 [Perplexity]: travs, if you have any good stories and photos from the con, you should post them up on a wiki. I know we are all really eager to hear the highlights and know how it went for The Bean =)
2006-07-24 [Mom]: Glad you're back Travs...
2006-07-24 [travs the bean]: i will but i have a bunch more to do first:)
2006-07-24 [Perplexity]: Of course - travs is always busy busy!
2006-07-24 [travs the bean]: actually i will do a post soon
2006-07-27 [Elisha Kelly]: ~.~! I know being critiqued is hard... but it can be even harder to be the one critiqing... (yes I think I spell bad!)
2006-07-27 [TheRogue]: it is hard to critique.. especially when the person you are critiquing has such a great ability, but it's not your expertise..you just go wow that looks so good. and can't find much to say about it..
2006-07-27 [Elisha Kelly]: :P spot on.
2006-07-27 [Mom]: Ely doesn't have to worry about that with me..I am keeping her plenty busy. =P
2006-07-27 [Yuriona]: I don't mind critiquing but I'm still learning not to get offended when I'm critiqued. Its also very frustrating when you post something specifically to be critiqued and it gets ignored. ><
2006-07-27 [travs the bean]: I think that's when you ask for another set of eyes- there is a lot of things i like yet the more i see the more i see that things could be stronger, If i cannot see anything wrong i ask for a second opinion before i say anything. The problem with elfwood was nobody gave good c/c it was always wow. Wows are nice but they tend to put one in a comfort zone
2006-07-27 [Yuriona]: *sighs* That's for sure and Deviant is the same way.
2006-07-27 [travs the bean]: learning to give c/c is an art as well- that's one of the reasons knights train each other- so they can learn to give positive advice and start looking fr ways to improve. I especially rely on those core artist that i talk to, who give me very honest c/c to help me improve. Yes the like my work as well but they want me to grow as well.
2006-07-27 [travs the bean]: in giving c/c you need to look for + traits as well as -. Also let the artist think for themselves, the strongest question you can ask- is what can you do to improve- the artist knows where their faults are- your job is to help them get over them and improve- by finding good tutorials- or even taking the piece and showing them an example
2006-07-27 [Ocean Soul]: I always try to see the good and the bad parts, and point both out in a way that will not hurt the artist but help him/her improve. It's not so easy to do this with friends though..
2006-07-27 [travs the bean]: yeah i agree- one of the things i tell people is the critique is about the piece and not an attack on them, once a person can distinguish that the growing process is far easier.
2006-07-27 [Yuriona]: That's why I usually only offer critiques or redlines when asked to do so. I can see both the good and the not so good parts in drawings and try to highlight both when I do a critique.
2006-07-27 [Elisha Kelly]: the problem with writing critiques and not saying them is that written words can be more easily understood... I rely alot on body language... (why I use so many darn smileys) and [Mom] you are doing kewl...
2006-07-27 [Kachichan]: I'm sorry to interrupt... but I'm really not all that bright (eheh...) and I just thought I'd ask... how does it work? I read about how to become a member, but I'm curious really as to how the whole setup works in general. I'm really interested in joining, but... curiosity comes first, it seems. ^_^;
2006-07-28 [Elisha Kelly]: you basically get a set of task you need to complete with some guidance of your teacher, and once you have mastered each task you will get a badge stating that you have met the requirements of either computer colourist... inker and so forth :} it's about expanding your horizons :}
2006-07-28 [Kachichan]: [Yuriona], I know that, I've read it... :3 That's why I want to join - especially since I'm newly out of work and have time to work on my art. I'm just wondering who does the teaching, and how they go about it, which... isn't particularly explained. It's a wonderfully worded wiki, but unfortunately it doesn't *say* much... I think [Elisha Kelly] explains a little better, but I'm still curious as to really HOW the teaching goes on... . ^_^; Still, best way to find out is to join up, I guess. :)
2006-07-28 [iippo]: I found the best way to find out how it works in action is click links. Go to someone's page who is being tutored right now, and read the comments in that page, that'll give you some idea how it works.
2006-07-28 [EmeraldGrizzly]: What do you mean by 'art petition'?
2006-07-28 [Yuriona]: [iippo]'s suggestion is really the best way or you could just jump in and join. Everyone teaches a little differently and how stuff is taught depends on the teacher. As far as I know, only the knights do the teaching and Master [travs the bean] of course. ^_^
2006-07-28 [Yuriona]: Art petition: examples of your art and the reason why you would like to be considered as a student I think.
2006-07-28 [Kachichan]: Well, I've made my page now, so I'll post it~! I'm actually really looking forward to learning. ^_^
2006-07-28 [Yuriona]: Welcome, welcome then. :) Your work is lovely. I hope I learn to CG as well as you do.
2006-07-28 [EmeraldGrizzly]: Thanks ;)
2006-07-28 [Yuriona]: You're welcome. :)
2006-07-28 [Kachichan]: If you mean me, er... I keep thinking how nice it'd be to CG like you...
2006-07-28 [Kachichan]: I get confused so easily... ^_^; I think senility is setting in early or something... Thanks~! *but I still love your CGing more*
2006-07-28 [Yuriona]: Yes... I'm prone to senior moments myself. XD Wait... you like my CG style? O_O Thank you! :) I wish I had more patience when CGing though so I could actually finish something decent. ^^' I really do like your style too!
2006-07-28 [travs the bean]: i would reccomend looking through the trials and start practicing as well. You may also request a knight- but that knight might not be able to take you do to how full their teaching pool is.
2006-07-28 [Kachichan]: [travs the bean] I'll get started on practicing the trials as soon as possible! ...I wouldn't request a knight though, because like you say, they might not be able to teach. I'd rather someone decided to choose me as and when they could instead, if that's alright? [Yuriona], I have no patience either. ^_^; I just try to get it all done before I'm bored... But you're too kind to me~!