|[Hedda] - Mayor |
[All_Most PUNK] - Guard, Featured Wiki, Reviews & Member Boss
[Yuriona] - Guard
[Veltzeh] - Wiki & Elfchat Boss, Professor
[nehirwen] - Guard Captain
[hanhepi] - Elftown Graphics Boss, Statistician
[Teufelsweib] - Statistician, Lit judge
[wicked fae mage] - Featured Member & Daily Poem Boss, Guide
[Lord Josmar] - Featured Wiki Boss
[Nioniel] - Guard, Featured Image & Story Boss, Photo Reference Boss
[Stephen] - Guard, Elftown Graphics boss, Featured Image, Story & Wiki Boss
[Sunrose] - Contest Mod
[Ravendust] - Guide & Featured Story Boss
Veterans#Council: These are retired Council members.
2011-05-14 [Rice]: The new layout to this page is dead sexy! :O *applauds*
2011-05-14 [Chel.]: Indeed to the sexiness!
2011-05-15 [Mortified Penguin]: You can't leave Elftown, Sammie, because if you do, it means they win. You leaving is what they want. Stick around and keep them in line.
2011-05-15 [Kaimee]: [Mortified Penguin], you should keep further discussion to private messages, rather than the council page :)
We'll be removing future comments if people keep chatting on this page.
2011-05-17 [SilverFire]: Fixed, thanks. :)
2011-05-17 [SilverFire]: Fixed again! And thanks, again! :P
2011-05-17 [SilverFire]: Actually we do list crew members as builders, if there is no specific job they do. ;) But Yuriona is listed under Guard, so we don't need to list her as a builder. We also only list people as general 'builder' not whatever rank of builder they actually are. :)
2011-05-18 [Calico Tiger]: But if you have some listed as a builder, then all who do building jobs should be listed :) It makes no sense and isn't consistent. It means later council members complain and wonder why their jobs aren't listed, and yet someone else that does the same job is listed as such.
2011-05-18 [SilverFire]: *has a dumb* I don't follow you. X_x Their jobs are listed here, builder is just the default for when there are no jobs to list. Technically everyone on crew does building, true, but it's not a job that people are likely to need to approach a council member with questions about, so there's no real need to list it (unless there's nothing else to list, and then it just shows that a crew member isn't doing nothing at all).
2011-05-18 [Calico Tiger]: If someone has a Builder badge, are they not a builder? There are some council members who don't do polls or contests or any kind of "building" at all. They might only be in charge of doing Poetry, for example. But don't actually create new things for Elftown. I'm not bashing them, mind you! I'm pointing out, that there is a difference. That builder is an actual accomplishment and people do that quite a bit. It means that you can ask that person questions about how to set something up. Most likely they'll know how to set up a poll, a wiki page, etc...
2011-05-18 [SilverFire]: Then suggest a new word I can stick there instead! X_x
2011-05-18 [hanhepi]: i'd be careful asking Cali to suggest things to stick places, if i were you Silvie. :P
2011-05-18 [SilverFire]: X)
2011-05-19 [Kaimee]: Well, if building is an activity for any member (not just crew) I think it makes sense not to list it at all on this page, particularly if we only list it for some people.
I think of that list of duties as a way to quickly see who I could contact about certain areas, and if a person is just a general crew member... well, let them be a general crew member :P
2011-05-19 [Kaimee]: ... See my previous thoughts on the list of duties.
2011-05-19 [Kyrinn]: Wondered why my ears were burning. O_O
I have no problem with not having a specific duty for the site. While I wish I had a lot more TIME to devote to the site, I am glad to just be on the council and crew to help out with things and answer questions members might have. Im glad they let me do this since my RL is pretty nuts and doesnt give me a ton of time to spend on the internet anymore. :)
2011-05-20 [Rice]: Does it need an owner? It's just a place to chat.. :)
2011-05-20 [Chimes]: It's not an official wiki :)
2011-05-21 [SilverFire]: Sure. If the original creator has removed themselves as owner then they obviously don't want it any more. You should just be able to fill your own name in the 'change owner to' box at the top of the edit-form, but if you can't let me know and I'll do it for you. :)
2011-05-25 [There Is No Cure]: Hello! Is there anywhere new people can go to kind of introduce themselves and meet people?
2011-05-25 [Mortified Penguin]: Well, Elftown's official place of chat is Now.
However, there are other places like those [kians mummy] mentioned or even Bob's Diner. If you're looking for a specific kind of wiki to meet people in (like one for roleplaying, chatting, art, photography, etc.) you can use the "Wiki-search" option over on the right. Then there's also the forums, which can be accessed at the very top of the page.
2011-05-25 [djxmonster]: Now, now.... no need to bash other peoples wiki's on an official page :)
2011-05-25 [Rice]: Welcome to Elftown [There Is No Cure]. I think you'll find you end up meeting people along the way, if you click around and take part in official contests, have a gander at art pages or wiki pages, you'll end up meeting people. :)
As Loth said Elftown Guides is a great place to get started and no doubt you can chat with people in the comments.
2011-05-26 [There Is No Cure]: Alright then! I will do my best to look at these sites and get the hang of things ;)
2011-05-30 [Ihsahn]: anyone specialize in contests?
2011-05-30 [Linderel]: Nope. We all participate in moderating contests at one point or another depending on who has time and who doesn't mind not being able to enter. :)
2011-06-23 [kumar.sathish34 5]: hi
2011-06-23 [Cillamoon]: And welcome!
2011-06-23 [Mortified Penguin]: >:o
2011-07-02 [nehirwen]: Fixed, thank you. :)
2011-07-06 [SilverFire]: Fixed, thanks. :)
2011-07-11 [djxmonster]: xD
2011-07-11 [Sagacious Turkey]: If you hadn't asked, then maybe. Just have him make a new one, don't tell anyone, and be really helpful and stuff. Eventually, nobody will care that he used to be a banned member (we already pretty much don't).
2011-07-11 [Kyrinn]: Im pretty sure that if he does that (and you told us about it, like Turkey said) they will ban that account as well. He was banned for a reason, or else he would not have been banned.
2011-07-11 [Sagacious Turkey]: That's not always true though. Sometimes people get banned for no reason!
2011-07-12 [Kyrinn]: uh, not that Ive seen. :P
2011-07-12 [SilverFire]: No, this does not happen.
2011-07-12 [SilverFire]: I do. :) Every time someone has claimed that this has happened, I have checked the banned user and found that they were actually banned for harassment, spam, breaking the UAR, etc.
2011-07-12 [Chel.]: What? I read that twice and still can't decipher it...
2011-07-12 [Chel.]: Well... I think you may be a bit biased to thinking he is a "good guy" considering you are married to him. He was banned for harassing other people/spam/et
And I'm going to be a bit blunt: You aren't helping your case by constantly bringing this issue up every few weeks. It also doesn't help that you insult the current crew members and how things are run around here. Truth is, the person in question was banned for a REASON and he probably deserved it(I'm speculating of course). Elftown crew members don't get "ban-happy" when they find someone they don't like. That just does not happen. Period. They only ban to protect the other users here.
No one appreciates your insults to the workers here...so please stop muddying up this comment box every few weeks 'cause it ain't gonna happen.
(Sorry if I'm too blunt, but I'm being honest.)
2011-07-12 [SilverFire]: Neither [Mystin] nor your fiancé were banned for annoying crew members. Mystin was banned for harassment, and breaking the UAR, your fiancé was banned for harassment. What are we supposed to do? Just ignore all the reports of other upset members who've received insults from them? We explain this every time you bring it up, but I guess I won't bother again, since you apparently don't believe us, and just want to think we're all corrupt and ban-happy instead. :/
I would also like to remind you that Council members CANNOT ban people. They do not have this power. Only the Guards do. "Crew" tends to refer to Council members, not guards.
2011-07-12 [SilverFire]: We gave him several chances to change his behaviour *before* we banned him. We always do.
2011-07-12 [Kyrinn]: If Im not mistaken, the page is exported so he should be able to comment without logging in. and I do agree, you keep coming here to tell us all how biased and mean we are for not allowing your fiance back on, but the truth of the matter is, he was banned for harassment and that's that.
Also, I do not have the power to ban. and I know if I did, and banned someone becuase I didnt like them, I would be booted right off council and crew. :P
2011-07-12 [SilverFire]: The option is 'members can edit, anyone can comment', it doesn't have to be owner-only. However, not-logged-in users cannot comment on forum-protecte
2011-07-12 [SilverFire]: Just as the Council cannot ban members, they cannot unban members. This is NOT a council issue.
2011-07-12 [Chel.]: Like I said... aint' gonna happen.
2011-07-12 [Sagacious Turkey]: Yeah, this isn't a council matter. Take it to guards.
But, yeah. There used to be some bannings for no real reason. Like posting "*eats ramen*" after every other comment and other things: put up with.
So you can say, "No, this does not happen anymore." but saying, "No, this does not happen." is a lie.
2011-07-12 [SilverFire]: The sentence "this does not happen" implies nothing about whether it did happen at any point in the past, so no, it's not a lie. But I also suspect your idea of "no real reason" is rather skewed.
2011-07-12 [Sagacious Turkey]: I suspect your face is rather skewed.
2011-07-12 [Kyrinn]: You arent helping your case, Turkey.
2011-07-12 [Sagacious Turkey]: I have a case? Neat.
2011-07-12 [Artsieladie]: *no comment*
2011-08-04 [Alexi Ice]: Please stop spamming official pages. Thank you.
2011-08-04 [Mortified Penguin]: You're welcome, I guess, but I wasn't doing anything. And are unofficial pages still available for spamming?
2011-08-04 [Chimes]: Unless the owner objects, yes.
2011-08-10 [Chimes]: Fixed. :)
2011-08-10 [Thunder Cid]: Good catch.
2011-08-11 [Mortified Penguin]: And kidney failure!
2011-09-28 [Mortified Penguin]: Any of y'alls with priv 49 wanna do me a favor? Could you export the pages in maze of guile that aren't already exported? I reckon it'd be mighty kind a ya an' I shore as shootin' would 'preciate it. Eeyup.
2011-09-28 [iippo]: Sure, but can you some how indicate which ones those are? :P I've been there before, it's a real maze and I'd just get lost. But I'll do some for starters now.
2011-10-11 [djxmonster]: yes
2011-11-01 [Imperator]: *cough* ... Um, can I get a very kind and patient Council member to add one space between the last two badges in my badge slot thingy? All the others have a space and it's been bothering me. Sorry about the Public Display of OCD. <.<;
2011-11-01 [Chimes]: Yep. I'll do it in a sec for you. :)
2011-11-01 [Chimes]: Done. :)
2011-11-01 [Mortified Penguin]: Hey, no fair! I've been trying to win that for years!
2011-11-02 [Imperator]: I would respond with a charming and witty observation to make myself look clever... but I won't because the Council doesn't like idle chatter, so why don't you just take it to Bob's Diner?
2011-11-02 [Imperator]: I have a question, why is there a giant pink pony on the right side of my page? Am I special or did everybody get one?
2011-11-02 [Mortified Penguin]: I don't know what you're talking about. Stop spreading lies!
2011-11-03 [Balthizar]: -Thank you for the ladybug badge :D
2011-11-15 [Linderel]: I'm assuming you mean the Elftown-testin
2011-12-05 [nehirwen]: It's a closed contest, so that's normal. :)
2011-12-05 [Teufelsweib]: the idea of the ECM was to make a page of about every fantasy creature. it was indeed a nice contest back then, but it's over now, as Nehirwen said. I think there are currently ECM's running about other fantasy creatures? but wouldn't it be nicer to come up with other contests with themes we didn't had before? ;)
2012-01-25 [Mortified Penguin]: Number of active, male council members: 0
2012-01-25 [Alexi Ice]: I'm glad I don't count.
2012-01-25 [Mortified Penguin]: VELTZEH IS NO MAN.
2012-01-26 [hanhepi]: meh, he's man enough.
besides, even if he weren't a man, there's me... i'm probably butch enough to count...
2012-05-18 [SilverFire]: Fixed, thanks. :)
2012-12-01 [The Past]: Hey guys. I got a couple of friends who want in on ET, but they have not received the emails to confirm them. One is just recently (within the last 24 hours) but one was about a month ago, and she hasn't heard anything. Is there a glitch with this at the moment?
2012-12-01 [SilverFire]: There are definitely no tickets that old. It's possible the confirmation email went to her spam/junk mail folder, though - has she checked that?
2012-12-01 [The Past]: I believe so. How long does this normally take to get through? 24 hours, or more?
2012-12-01 [Hedda]: Emails sometimes get lost (or just written wrong). Tell me the email addresses and I'll accept them!
2012-12-02 [The Past]: Thanks Hedda :) But (Murphy's law of course) seemed to get itself sorted as of today. But thanks for the help guys, as it seems I am not the only one with friends affected by this.
2013-03-25 [Alexi Ice]: Welcome, Jos!!
2013-03-25 [kians mummy]: For some reason I am getting Spammy emails through from Elftown saying I have messages that I don't have, 20 of them now, what's going on?
2013-03-25 [kians mummy]: Ok hun. just found it a bit confusing lol.
2013-03-25 [Chimes]: Just to confirm what Akay said, Hedda is definitely the person to talk to. :)
2013-03-26 [kians mummy]: I have lol. :)
2013-03-26 [Mortified Penguin]: To confirm what Chimes said in regards to what Akay said, you should try talking to Hedda.
2013-03-26 [kians mummy]: To Confirm what Mort & [Chimes] said in regards to what akay said I should try talking to [Hedda].
Oh wait, I already have......
He said it must of just been a back log, my personal opinion, thumbs down to Hotmail, will be changing it soon as Hotmail has just gone down hill so may Join Yahoo.
2013-08-21 [Imperator]: Recommending gmail is an awful idea following the Snowden "revelations" (as if we didn't already know). Use email providers based outside of US territory.
2013-09-17 [kians mummy]: ^Which is none lol.
2013-12-08 [Mortified Penguin]: I'm pretty sure I'm owed a veteran badge. >:o
(Ha ha ha ha... seriously though.)
2013-12-08 [nehirwen]: No you don't, you never had a coloured badge, now quit wasting my time. <_<
2013-12-20 [Mortified Penguin]: I jest.
However, as to why [Stephen] didn't respond to any messages or guestbook notes about him being a crewbie, even though he was online, that's because he didn't even know about them. There are iframes with Elftown in them on Elfpack (where he's [Hedda]'s right hand man, essentially) that, when [Stephen] loads while browsing Elfpack, make him appear to be on Elftown (probably, that or he's just logging on to Elftown and staring at Mainstreet and nothing else). I've messaged him on Facebook to let him know the situation though.
2013-12-21 [Teufelsweib]: well, if that means he wasn't active on ET anyway even better he wasn't chosen as crewbie after all :)
2013-12-22 [Stephen]: Actually - I was in the hospital.
I didn't make a diary notice here, because I didn't see a direct reason to so it didn't occur to me. I do check Elftown at least once a day normally; however in the time period I was accepted, I was too sick to take notice.
- Editt -
Also, if I was marked as recently logging in, it's because I keep all of Hedda's (active) sites open in Perma tabs on my Firefox, and the tabs automatically refresh every 16 hours or so, so I don't miss things. :P
2013-12-22 [Teufelsweib]: We will consider you again during the next round.
2013-12-22 [Sunrose]: Wow, gallbladder and appendix removed O_o
Hope you feel better soon!
2013-12-22 [hanhepi]: Sure, sure. Major surgery is no excuse! It only adds to our list of reasons not to accept you... now you can't even do all the heavy lifting we needed you to do. :P
Seriously though, that sounds rough. :/ Hope you heal up soon.
2013-12-22 [Stephen]: Heh, thanks guys. I actually feel much better than I did pre-OP, even with the recovery being a bit rough. It's been almost three weeks now and I'm mostly back to normal.. :D
2014-02-08 [Mortified Penguin]: I noticed where someone had missed a very important and necessary Oxford comma in my badge slot, so I went ahead and fixed it for them. Get it together, you guys! You can't just go around forgetting commas like that, they're important!
2014-03-10 [Stephen]: The links to Apply to the Crew, MC and probably a few other things that I think are supposed to perma be on the Calendar, have timed out.
2014-07-12 [Stephen]: Mm, three of the four ElfChat Bosses have no badges in their house; I'm guessing they were retired. It looks kind of inconsistent.
(I'd have mentioned that on the page, but that page lacks a comment box.)
2014-07-13 [Mortified Penguin]: Not to mention everyone that worked for featured art (which also has no comment box for some reason) retired a long time ago, leaving the space on Mainstreet unedited for over a year and a half now... And I'm here literally every day, not doing anything (except working on a new contest to help Elftown, like usual)... And I've been here for over a decade and would be insanely useful on the crew (especially as town guard captain)... But, WHATEVER, GAH...
2014-07-13 [Mortified Penguin]: Here:
There's you a nice watercolor I made. Slap that shit on up there. It takes like ONE MINUTE to update Mainstreet, it's seriously not that hard. Hell, don't even worry about giving me a badge for it, I'll save you 30 seconds and badge my own damn self.
2014-07-13 [Mortified Penguin]: Not good enough? Too spiteful to feature art from someone you've mistaken as a troll that hates Elftown (you're a goddamn idiot if you think that)? Here:
Clicked "random member" all of three times and found some great art by [To the Welkin]... She's an active member, she has amazing artwork, and she's been featured before, so she's clearly fine with having her art displayed. I see no reason why her artwork shouldn't be on Mainstreet within the next two days. Oh, it's not your job? You're too busy with real life to update something once every few years? Maybe you shouldn't be on the damn crew, because you're ruining this site by being this goddamn lazy. Or maybe you really just don't care about Elftown. So how about stepping down and letting people who actually give a shit do your job for you? Because we're out here, ready and willing to help if you can ever get your heads out of your ass far enough to see us...
I don't have a problem with any of the crew members personally, but the fact that you've all just stopped updating shit and let my favorite website stagnate (no, it isn't just hedda's fault for not modernizing ET, it's the crew's too for stopping caring) makes me have no respect for any of you. Honestly, since [SilverFire] retired, most of you have just given up and quit trying. As much as I dislike her, she at least kept you people in line for the most part. Anyway, point being, please get your shit together ASAP, otherwise Elftown won't be here for more than a couple more years at most.
2014-07-13 [Nioniel]: Mort, what's the name of your piece?
2014-07-14 [Mortified Penguin]: Let's go with "Indoctrinatio
2014-07-14 [Nioniel]: Thank you.
2014-07-17 [Sunrose]: Actually those Elfchat bosses are still active in the chat, just not on Elftown. I wrote a posting in the forums about it somewhere. I didn't have the privs to badge them, but no one stepped in to do it for me.
2014-07-17 [Nioniel]: Thanks for the link to the post. Everyone's Elfchat badges should be properly updated now.
2014-07-17 [Stephen]: Oh, sorry about that.
Had it backwards!
2014-07-17 [Sunrose]: No problem =P
2014-10-03 [Imperator]: A year ago I posted in the suggestions forum a request for the council to take action to revive ET since I couldn't see anything going on except renaming wikis (and killing the Elftown Academy). [Sunrose] told me to quit being so bossy and telling people what to do with their busy lives. Although I'm about two and half months late to second Mort's opinion above - I second it. I would like to point out that after the death of the Elftown Academy, the obsolete link has remained on Mainstreet. I never mentioned it before for fear that it would be removed because I treasure it. However if any of you need a bit more evidence of how right Mort is (or appears to be right from the perspective of a humble serf) then that should be it. I know some of you despise me because I was an asshole kid who shouted my ridiculous political opinions in the general debate forums - but that was like... 8 years ago. Just because Mort and I tell you things that are uncomfortable does not make us WRONG. Apparently this site is down to about 280 active members. How low is low enough for something to change?
2014-10-03 [SilverFire]: (The only person who can edit the particular part of Main street where the link to the Elftown Academy is is Hedda. So that's just evidence that the crew still have just as hard a time getting Hedda to do stuff as you do. But you already knew that). I don't think you're telling the crew stuff that makes them uncomfortable, you're telling them stuff they already know and can't do anything about. It's depressing for all concerned. And hey! Maybe that's why sometimes the crew has little motivation to update some things: because in the grand scheme of ET they're pretty tiny and irrelevant and why bother spending your time updating one tiny part of a clunking outdated website that you know is never going to be updated in any significant way?
ET died a long time ago guys. It ain't coming back. There's just some of us still hanging around waiting for it to finish rotting so we can grab the bones and put them in display cases. <_<
2014-10-03 [Sunrose]: I doubt I used the word bossy, but indeed you can't demand people to devote their free time the way you want them to.
It's kind of odd you want the Council to revive ET, when it's always been the members who made ET alive. You can't expect less than 10-15 people to do what thousands did together before.
No one actually denied Mort's claims above, at least not here.
I don't remember you from general debate btw, I remember you from a tank drawing you had up if I'm correct that was you :P
-Edit: considering it's still there it seems I'm right x)
2014-10-03 [Paul Doyle]: A morbid sense of belonging keeps me here on Elftown, though the original artistic e-community spirit died back around '05 when it was decided pandering to idiots and hangarounds was more important than keeping a good rapport with those who made those art contests, RPGs, Elftown Academy, Town Herald and so much more, such great ways to constructively waste time on the Internet. You know, before all the petty shit and conniving and the rest killed this place.
In any event, if this place now exists primarily to generate revenue for shitty little ads that nobody likes, then that is how it is going to be. I'm still not going to get really active again until there IS a drastic reboot of this website and a modern, secure user-friendly appearance, but at this point I'm not going to waste my time waiting. Real life beckons. Elftown, you helped me get through some dark times in my life (my mother dying, my marriage going through some rough patches before drastically improving) and you inspired me to start writing and drawing again, from scratch, in the last few weeks of my mother's life in 2003. Unfortunately, nearly all of the artistic-minde
I may bring you memorial flowers, Elftown, but there's no way in hell you're going to come back from the grave. Any time a Junk Forum frequented by a handful of chatty people is one of the most happening places on Elftown, then it's safe to say this website ought to be put out of its misery if the ad-revenue generation isn't working out as planned.
2014-10-03 [Teufelsweib]: everyone has been putting up these dramatic 'everyone has left, this place isn't what it used to be, it hurts me to see what has happened, fare thee well!" messages for the last... what, 4-5 years?
Let's try something else!
I love the way Elftown is right now! All the people I really didn't like have finally left, and now it has become our own playground to do whatever we want in the forums and with the wikis with a small, pretty close group of friends!
Please, council, don't change anything to this site. I'm already on all these state of the art fancy social network sites and I'm missing the broken links and 90s lay outs.
2014-10-03 [Mortified Penguin]: Oh sure, but whenever I use Elftown as a playground to do whatever I want in the forums and wikis, people get upset with me for some reason!
2014-10-03 [Mortified Penguin]: But I will single handedly revive Elftown once I'm vice mayor, don't you guys worry.
Except Sunrose. She should worry.
2014-10-03 [Teufelsweib]: that's because no one likes you! then again, no one likes the vice major, so I guess that would work.
but not before [hanhepi] is made major, you're going to have to respect that :/
2014-10-03 [Mortified Penguin]: I'LL RESPECT NOTHING!
2014-10-03 [hanhepi]: XD Thank you Tuffles. It could work, having Mort as my vice major. I get the love and adoration, he gets to do all the work. Yes, yes this could work out nicely.
2014-10-03 [Teufelsweib]: Within days we'll have +100.000 active members again, all actively contributing to contests (all following the set themes of course), writing extravagant poetry (that rhymes), sipping iced teas, and philosophizing the intricacies of romance, politics, personal goals and desires.
2014-10-03 [Sunrose]: I love you people haha :D
2014-10-09 [~Nox~]: "I love the way Elftown is right now! All the people I really didn't like have finally left, and now it has become our own playground to do whatever we want in the forums and with the wikis with a small, pretty close group of friends!"
I believe that would be the root of ET's problems right now :D a close knit circle jerk that kicks out people who disagree with said group of friends.
2014-10-10 [Imperator]: @Council: The possibility that I'm just an idiot is always a possibility, however, it seems to me that you guys don't particularly communicate your problems to the community. Maybe you catch unjustified scorn since your abilities versus the abilities of Hedda are not known.
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: Again it is so silly to blame a 100.000 people leaving on these few crew members. I could also say that the few that are there have actually managed to keep a number of people around.
Lastly, you're interpreting it as if she meant to say that this playground is a place to be an asshole to non-crew. She actually meant that because the community isn't as big anymore it has become more intimate (like it was in the beginning).
It has become clear though that your sole purpose now is to just 'hate on' people. So, whatever anyone would say you'd find some offensive interpretation
Actually there have been numerous times on numerous places where at least I commented that crew can't change Elftown's graphics (we can make them and send them to Hedda, but he has to implement them and this is not being done. Which is also why people like [True, plain and simple] left all together.), yet crew is still being blamed for the outdated look it has (which is super motivating to hear all the time). So it doesn't seem like it matters what we say anyhow.
2014-10-10 [kians mummy]: People would listen if you was less strict, also the fact that the Council need to interact more with normal members, you tell us to contribute, how about you contribute by talking nicely to members, having good convastations, getting to know them instead of judging them by what other people say, this is another reason why people leave, as the council are like a little group of there own who dont communicate with most normal members.
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: I have had more non-council friends than council friends. But, at some point when you have worked with someone you often end up friends. So it's not strange a lot of friends now are also Council.
Maybe it would also be nice if members spoke nicely to crew, getting to know them instead of judging them by what other people say :((
When I was a n00b I took the initiative to talk to lots of crewmembers myself. It's easier for one member to get to know 10 crew, than for 10 crew to get to know 300 members.
That being said, I checked my member statistics.
I wrote 93.276 messages to 10.158 unique members. Of course I've done a lot of Guardwork with 16.572 guard reports written (for almost every report a private message was sent). There have been 4.635 unique members who sent me a message. Let's assume half of them were replies to a guard message, that still leaves some 2.000 unique members that I have had some sort of a conversation with.
How many did you write with?
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: Personally, I have quite literally reached out to every single Elftowner. Every. Single. One. Through messaging, wiki invites, forum invites, wiki invites, helpful wiki comments, and even wiki invites. I've also messaged and friend requested every crew member, some more than once. Some more than like six times! I've never once turned down a friend request from anyone either, no matter who they were or how much of a problem I may have had with them. And in all this, only a small handful of the crew have been positively responsive to my constant attempts at establishing casual acquaintancesh
I've watched closely over the years and observed that the crew is nothing but friends picking friends, there are no real merit or skill based crew members anymore (except Stephen). Yes, you need to be able to work with other crew members, and yes, the easiest way to do that is to hire new people who are already your friends. I'm not criticizing the crew for its nepotism, it's a legitimate strategy, albeit not the best and one that will lead to stagnation. I just want them to be aware that the dozens and dozens of Elftowners that have made these accusations of the crew being an essential "circle jerk" are not as crazy as the crew always makes them out to be in their private forums and public diaries.
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: In fact, what say we fire the current crew and make everyone reapply if they want to continue helping out. Then have someone neutral pick the new crew based on actual qualifications
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: In the end though, let's not forget we're all equals here (except Hedda, he's a little more equal than the rest of us) and this isn't real life. We're all essentially roleplaying the characters of our usernames here, so stop taking everything so damn seriously and let's try to enjoy the broken remains of this town together while it still lasts.
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: Well, okay, Paul's username is his real life, so pay him no mind.
2014-10-10 [Teufelsweib]: but what if I am a bot and who I am on here is who I really am
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: Then I will be meeting up with you to perform some studies. Particularly to determine whether or not you even have a rectum in which I can SHOVE MY FOOT UP.
Sorry, I have some bizarre fetishes.
2014-10-10 [Teufelsweib]: I think I do, but it's pretty small :/
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: That's okay, we can make it work. I'll bring some WD-40 and motor oil and we'll see how far I can get up there.
2014-10-10 [Teufelsweib]: ok :<
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: Actually I've been accused of pandering to trolls for talking to you (by non-crew), whatever that means. Not like I have any choice as we can't get rid of you (I tried). So obviously it's impossible to make everybody happy.
If someone violates the rules the way you have done, it will be brought to the attention of the rest of the crew. They were things you actually did, so I don't understand how that's hearsay. You and I both know you could have been crew a long time ago if you had taken a different approach. You could for instance inform us about security issues, rather than letting us find out about them because you have actually abused them.
Wiki invites and forum invites don't count as a way of reaching out to people, I'd consider that spam :P
If activity is a skill, then yes Stephen is the most skilled one of the crew.
Then just fire me already haha, as mentioned before the amount of guard reports alone have resulted in a lot of enemies. Does that make me a bad crew member? xD
Do you have any crew suggestions, besides yourself?
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: It's hearsay when the conversation goes along the lines of:
Crewbie: What about Mort for crew? He seems active and knowledgeable.
Crew person #7: No, he won't work. He's caused too many issues.
Crewbie: Like what?
Crew person #7: I don't know, it was a long time ago. But I think he hacked Hedda and posted a list of passwords.
Crew person #§: Yeah, I remember hearing something about that. Didn't he also destroy Mainstreet and set fire to the Elftown well?
Crew person #7: Yeah, I think so. He's not to be trusted, apparently.
Crewbie: Whoa, I didn't know about all that! Thanks for letting me know!
Yeah, I did some stuff, but nobody ever gets it right. If I'm going to be hated and mistrusted, people should at least know what actually happened, not the version their friend heard from someone else a few years ago that they don't really remember that well. Actually, go ahead and call me out on the things you guys are under the impression I've done, so I can let you know if it was actually better or worse than what you think happened.
But I actually had listed you along with Stephen originally in that comment, but I deleted it, because I was only talking about the current crew.
As for the bugs and stuff, I always have let [Hedda] know almost immediately, just not anyone else. Then, while he takes two weeks to read my message, I play around with it and see what interesting things can be done with it until he fixes it.
And for crew suggestions, the ones I've recommended in the past have already been added or have declined to work for the crew, so I'm out of ideas except possibly that weird Turkey guy.
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: But the only way you people are getting rid of me is if Hedda personally bans me. I will respect no other banning as legitimate.
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: Also, I'm only a "troll" because that's the role I've been given to play on Elftown by everyone, despite my protests. Give me something else to act out if you want to see a different performance!
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: Why don't you come clean and tell us everything you did in your own words? Takes a lot less time than collecting everyone's input :P
Not everything was years ago though, it's not like you have been a model citizen for years now :P
Hey I like you as a troll, maybe the role of a troll isn't even that bad =p
2014-10-10 [Sagacious Turkey]: I dunno, I've heard that Turkey guy once katnapped Lilo and bombed the Elftown Academy.
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: Messaging Hedda and Hedda alone isn't the best approach, I think you could've figured that out by now :p
We do have the Elftown bugs forum, or you could have poked me, and I would have poked him if it was a serious thing.
Hey I supported one of your suggestions and was accused of power grubbiness. I mean seriously. How would adding someone to crew actually result in me having more power, if this person isn't exactly supportive of me personally. I was willing to put everything in the past, because at some point you just have to move on. But all I really got was a complaint about how Elftown looks, which isn't my fault..how am I supposed to fix it? :S
2014-10-10 [Sagacious Turkey]: Hey, I've been a pretty model citizen for the last half decade, since my seventh consecutive banning on this account alone! How many reports could I even possibly have acquired over the last few years? I barely talk to any of you jerks. And the troll pandering thing came from Paul over you unbanning me, I thought.
*bats some yarn around*
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: Oh, well you two are kind of the same person to me...same category. It seems I unbanned you after 2,5 years of being banned. I don't really remember it though, it didn't leave an impression on me. I didn't even know people were (still?) upset about you :P
What did you do to him? I thought Mort was the asshole.
Well whatever, both of you are unbananable anyway, I only gave you your original house back.
Oh didn't know about this wiki. You're basically saying what I have been saying, but you already know that if you were in the forums :P
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: But I don't want to be a Turkey. D:
But no, of course I'm not in any of the forums! Though, you guys should stop just simply changing the passwords on some of them. That's not really going to cut it. And be glad I reported the forum bug where I could add myself to any forum! Had I not told Hedda about that one, nobody would have ever known and I'd still (allegedly) be in all of them.
2014-10-10 [Sagacious Turkey]: So, you seem to think that Mort could have already been on the crew had he just straightened up his act for a few years? Well, what about his better, who actually has? Not only that, but the things I did in the first place weren't really that bad. So why not Turkey? I know far more about Elftown than even Mort, but I've never abused that knowledge. In fact, give me a free pass without consequences and I'll tell you what every guard's password is in under a week to prove that I can, but simply have never done anything like that out of principle.
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: I didn't know you were interested, I guess Mort was a whole lot louder than you about it :P
I never bothered to change it, if you were able to get it anyhow. Neither of you need to prove it to me.
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: "Principle".
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: Hmm?
2014-10-10 [Sagacious Turkey]: "Corpse with stab wounds".
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: More like "Knife with Mort wounds"!
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: Are these movie quotes or something? I don't get it :p
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: I was just mocking his use of the word "principle" to imply he's actually a slimy scumbag.
2014-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: He then threatened me, like a slimy scumbag.
2014-10-10 [Sagacious Turkey]: I'm not slimy, I'm just scaley. Like the noble, majestic, trustworthy snake! And I'm not now, nor have I ever been a bag! Except that one time I became a bag for a few weeks. But that doesn't count for some reason.
2014-10-10 [Sunrose]: Oh wait now I see the last line he wrote and how you repeated that word. I didn't read that stuff into detail, sorry not sorry :P
2014-10-10 [Sagacious Turkey]: D:
2014-10-12 [Imperator]: So it seems that when Mort says something, [Sunrose] says, "yeah, but I'M not a dick!" while the rest of the Council hides from the correct and valid points Mort and others are making. Then the Council wonders why it has bad PR and blames the community. Is the Council capable of accepting responsibility for ANYTHING? Is Mort to blame for ET's failure? Clearly not. Is the Council to blame? Council says no. Is it Hedda? It has to be, who else if not the Council?
So where is the moral condemnation of Hedda for destroying the site? What I said a year ago is that the Council is the only group of users who could possibly create change by confronting Hedda! At risk of [Sunrose] telling me to stop bullying the poor, stressed, helpless Council: The Council should demand the flexibility from Hedda that is needed to fix the place. Every Council member should demand this ceaselessly until he relents. Call him out! The Council's failure to do this means it is also culpable for ET's demise. If he truly never would give in, all of you should resign and stick it to him! He can't keep this place alive without your contributions, right? That's POWER over him.
2014-10-12 [Sunrose]: I can only speak for myself, I don't know what everyone else does all of the time :P
Also, some consider me to be a dick as I can be very direct (which is considered a virtue in my country).
It's his website, he can do (or not do) as he pleases with it. Hedda was approached many times, as I already pointed out this is actually why some crew have quit here. Did you see any change in Hedda's response afterwards? It seems the inactivity only got worse in fact. I think we can simply conclude he doesn't care that much to invest his free time, and would rather spend his time on other things. Much like how many members have chosen to redefine their priorities.
To say that it is the Council's fault that we can't force his hand implies we have the right to do so. I don't know what you base this right on.
I understand your frustration, we all share it. But we have as much power over him as anyone else here.
Besides, personally I would want him to be happy. If he's not happy here, I'm not going to make him miserable.
2014-10-12 [SilverFire]: while the rest of the Council hides from the correct and valid points Mort and others are making.
The rest of the council repeatedly tells everyone they mostly agree with them but can't do anything about it, but apparently people only accept an answer if it's the one they want to hear, so instead they just ignore what the council keep saying.
2014-10-12 [hanhepi]: Is Mort to blame for ET's failure?
No, of course not. Nor is it any one person. The fickleness of the internet is to blame I think. I don't even think people stopped loving us because we're kind of ugly. We were never all that big (by internet standards) to begin with. People got bored and moved on. That happens to a lot of sites, sites that were way bigger than we ever were. Myspace is a prime example.
As far as no one else speaking up, Sunrose was doing a much nicer job of saying what I wanted to say. She's a lot better at diplomacy than I am, so unless I actually disagree with her, I'm usually pretty happy to let her do the talking. I'm not going to claim not to be a dick, because anyone who has ever interacted with me knows I'm mean as hell, with the vocabulary of a drunken sailor. I'm not a dick in the way Mort was talking about, but I am a dick. I like Mort! Even if he does accuse me of not being his friend. :P I even admire Mort... he's super smart, I like his sense of humor a lot of the time, he's even more stubborn than I am (and that isn't just a skill, that is art), and hell, even he has better diplomacy skills than I do. So yeah, I leave the talking to people who are better at it than I am, and fewer people come away hating me.
Other than that: what Sunrose said.
2014-10-12 [nehirwen]: Sometimes people get the feeling we're ganging up on them when multiple councilpeeps are reacting, it's a lot less messier when one person does the talking, so unless we disagree we keep quiet, not hiding. :)
2014-10-12 [Mortified Penguin]: I actually prefer when the entire crew comes at me at once. It just makes me look that much more awesome when I win the debate/battle to the death.
2014-10-12 [Imperator]: Well alright, so let's have the truth. Why is Hedda happily letting ET rot? What was his response to the Council members who approached him? Communicate with us lowly beings down here!
2014-10-12 [Sagacious Turkey]: Ever since he grew his hair out, he's been too busy with all the sex to pay any attention to his townsfolk.
2014-10-12 [Teufelsweib]: Last thing I heard was that he 'liked the site the way it is now' and did not find any modifications necessary :/
I believe that [iippo] contacted him on getting our own Heddate site, like Elfpack or Fake, except then we can adjust the code ourselves. So we can revamp the whole website and make it look squeaky clean again, and Hedda can keep Elftown the way it is. But didn't want that either, I believe :/
(though if anyone has heard anything else please correct me)
2014-10-12 [Teufelsweib]: Right now we're trying to clean up Mainstreet, to get rid of all the unnecessary links and clean it up a bit to make it look more approachable, but even that is taking months already -__- (needing Hedda's permission again I believe)
2014-10-12 [SilverFire]: I'm pretty sure he also told me once that cleaning up coding and faffing around with the look is work he finds fairly boring, and he's much more interested in working on brand new features. But that's not what we need right now. :/
2014-10-12 [SilverFire]: Going through some forum archives, other standard responses include: just ignoring the suggestion completely, and acknowledging something should probably work better but effects so few people so he cba.
Edit: The last posting by Hedda in the suggestions forum was 983 days ago. And I think the last thing he implemented was the ability to block wiki invites from members.
2014-10-12 [Sunrose]: Often he doesn't even get approached here, but through facebook/skype
2014-10-12 [Mortified Penguin]: And I think the last thing he implemented was the ability to block wiki invites from members.
See, this is why I'm good for Elftown. I'm the only one getting [Hedda] to do things around here.
2014-10-12 [Imperator]: I just don't get why he doesn't allow someone else to do these extremely trivial changes, even something as mundane as the Main Street links... That he likes ET "the way it is" is such a cop out on his part. What does that even mean?