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Faff is a great word, I think it was [SilverFire] who got me using it. Anyway, during the course of writing Playgans I found that I had taken to swearing a great deal more than I used to. And decided it wasn't all that professional of me, so decided to try and stop. But I never made any promises...

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It has been brought to my attention, that I swear too much. So in a bid to raise the decorum of Playgans (hah) I shall substitute the word fuck for faff. But if you render me beyond annoyed and in to the realms of frothing at the mouth (again) I will turn the sky a shade of red and stun passing birds as my language flies through the air, you have been warned.

The reason for this delightful little excursion in to the realms of my madness was the following statement:

"I can link Paganism and Christianity" - fair enough you might say.
Their reasoning? It goes okay until it reaches the point where the argument basically comes down to "Christianity is basically paganism" and that's when I start faffing.

First of all, the term "pagan" these days refers to anyone that does not conform to mainstream religion. To a Christian it refers to the heathens (all other religions regardless of mainstream standing) who don't worship their God. (The ye olde terme used to be "Paganus" back in a time when "heathen" meant someone who lived on the heath, a country dweller to be precise, but the term got a bit mangled as time went by and it came to mean "that person who doesn't believe in our one true God...lets kill 'em!")
Heck, Christians call other Christians heathen based on which sect they fall under. So there is no way in Hell, you are going to convince a Christian, "Well you know what, darn those pagans sure are nice folks after all, lets ignore our own religion and agree with them they're the same as us." Nuhu. No, not happening. I mean you can get along, and both of you can learn to politely not bring up religion in terms of "my god is bigger than yours" but can you ever make them accept your religious beliefs are correct? Well, no. Their God doesn't let them.

And before you get started on me, just in case by some bizzaro chance you haven't worked this out by now, I am pagan, my religious beliefs are decidedly polytheist in their outlook. I have also studied Christian theology extensively (for fun) and was raised in a Calvinist/Presbyterian household. (Actually my father was raised by his Austrian Jewish grandmother who married an Irish Roman Catholic imigrant whos daughter was a Jehova's Witness who married a Protestant Presbyterian. So really defining his beliefs as raised by his Austrian Jewish grandmother who married an Irish Roman Catholic imigrant whos daughter was a Jehova's Witness who married a Protestant Presbyterian doesn't really work...) I also have numerous Christian friends from all walks of Christian faith (it's amazing how the One True Path ended up with so many different sects of faith) who are willing and able to answer most questions I throw at them.

It is entirely possible to respect another person's religion without trying to Force your own on to them, or vice versa. However if you come out with such utter bull*censored* such as "I can combine religions and end all the world conflicts, yay for me I am a genius!" you need to faff off right now.

You may have able to combine them, within the confines of your own head, but out here, in reality, it doesn't work.

"I can follow the Greek Pantheon without breaking the Ten Commandments"
Wow...how cool is that...*smack* But at the same time, entirely wrong.

The Commandments go as follows (which I wont type out in full, I do have a life beyond my computer screen):

-1. I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt...
This commandment is about believing in the existence of God.


-2. You shall have no other gods besides Me...Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above...
Wich pretty much renders the above claim impossible because you can't have more than one God and it has to be this one.

-3. You shall not swear falsely by the name of the Lord...
- This commandment is to never take the name of God in a vain oath. In Exodus, the text reads "in a vain oath" while in Deuteronomy it reads "in a false oath.
 
-4. Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy" (the version in Deuteronomy mentions "Keep" rather than "Remember")
Rather self explanatory.

-5. Honor your father and your mother...
This commandment is a development when compared to other laws of the Ancient East (for example, the Code of Hammurabi) that do not call for equal respect of the father and the mother.

-6. You shall not murder.
The Hebrew Bible makes a distinction between murdering and killing. Which is handy.

-7. You shall not commit adultery.
Again, if you can't understand this, you're on your own.

-8. You shall not steal.
This is sometimes interpreted as kidnapping, since there are other injunctions against stealing property in the Bible.

-9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Damn that's my plans ruined.

-10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house...
So your neighbour's got a fast looking donkey in the drive, and boy does that fence look good...really breaks up the desert. Too bad you don't have any, oh and you can't be jealous of him either. Smug *censored*.
In Exodus, the text reads "... neighbor's house, ... neighbor's wife, nor his manservant..." etc. while in Deuteronomy, "thy neighbor's wife, ... thy neighbor's house, his field" etc.

So bearing in mind, that God is the God and his wors is the law, and no other theologies or "words of Gods" may be accepted, how the faff then does your theory work with regards to Christianity?

In short, it doesn't.

(And no you f*cktard, it does not say that "God's name is Jealousy." His name is Yahweh and he is a jealous God. And that's not even the Christian God, that's the Jewish God. Now look you nearly made me swear.)

Your belief works fine with Pagan theology. There is a popular line "All Gods are One God." which means that no matter how many faces and names you give to them, they are all aspects of the one original origin of creation.
And I'm about to burn even more bridges, while still tap dancing accross them on gasoline soaked shoes, yes, that means as pagans we should accept the Christian God as existing.

If you believe that all Gods are one God, then God and Jesus are a part of your faith too. This side to God is as valid as any of the others you have chosen. And don't tell me you wont because of what the Christians did to non Christians. I bet you still worship Diana on a full moon and invoke Isis when you feel like it despite the fact that the Romans kicked *censored* out of the Egyptians when Octavian conquered Egypt after the death of Mark Antony and Cleopatra, you snivelling little hypocrit. Never mind that Wicca/modern paganism came from Celtic roots, Damara who? Yes thought as much.)

The idea of accepting Christianity works from the pagan point of view. (Much like how from Obi-Wan Kenobi's point of view Anakin Skywalker was dead, but to Luke he was very much alive...I don't know why I'm mentioning this...)
There is actually such a thing known as Critches-and no, you don't use them to walk. A Critch, is someone who accepts Christian doctrine to an extent, believes in the teachings of Jesus but still are classes as being pagan as they do believe that there is more than one God. They have merely chosen to invoke Jesus to the full moon party rather than Artemis. If you've ever heard it, you'll know what I mean when I say it's hard to keep a straight face when someone says "Jesus I invite you to partake of my cup"*
These people essentially practice earth worship, except of calling on the earth mother or horned god for example, they call on Jesus of the Holy Mother Mary.

I'll be honest and say the idea confuses me more than I care to admit. But maybe I just really don't see Jesus being cool with the Great Rite. Although he did hang around with prostitutes so maybe I'm wrong.

But flipping the coing again. Am I ever going to find a commited Christian who accepts my belief that their God and my God are the same? No.
Why? The Horned One (although my own God of choice is actuually the Green Man-in all his forms) is the deity that turned in to their Devil.
The Horned one is the deity that they turned into their Devil.

I really don't seem them suddenly going "ooooh sorry about that old chums...didn't mean to villify your God and make him in to the root of all Evil what."

But I don't hold it against them. Christian doctrine and ideaollogy tells them that their God is the only God. And more importantly the only correct God. Jesus said "I am the one True way." for them to turn around and admit the existence of the polytheistic masses means they are no longer Christian.

The most a devout Christian can do, is accept that although we are pagan, we are not at root, bad pepole. We're different, and we're more than likely not going to make it in to your heaven, but we're not Evil.

Just as we should accept that you have your beliefs and that we'll never convince you that really, we do worship your God in our own way, and that there is no Hell.

So in short, stop tryig to merge religions. It's all very well to accept the existence of other faiths, and that they can co-exist, but claiming you can merge every aspect only works for those who are already pagan like in their mindset. You haven't merged two religions, you have made a new one that isn't Christian but again pagan. Please, try to understand this. I know it's hard with your limited brain capacity, but please.

*sigh*...hey, I did it. I went the whole way through without saying fuck in full!...oh Fuck! >.<




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2006-02-04 [SilverFire]: :D

2006-02-04 [Delladreing]: faffing hell ive not even written it yet :p

2006-02-04 [SilverFire]: ^^ to be fair, before, you hadn't even edited it, and I was still watching :P

2006-02-04 [Delladreing]: fair ^^

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Flipping hell Dela, you're on the ball :P

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: Jah,I tend to be :P its what makes me rantages and pwnages worth the while ^^

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Aye, but two in two days? :O

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: it was actually three, but the third needs some more doing

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Wow o_O Someones been pissed off XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: Yup :P very

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Ah well *pets* Chocolate?

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: pleh all out, im relying on percy pigs

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: I might be dumb, well I usually am but what's this all about? Draconic Wicca

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: *le twitch* look on that page for me and tell me if its about dragons will you?

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: XD Will do :P

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Draconic Wicca is the utilization of the powers of the dragons. There are as many dragons as there are people. They are as varied as humans are also. We work with these dragons to achieve the results that we seek. In doing so, we have to deal with the unique personalities of each type of dragon. The dragons have no real hierarchy other than age, except for the case of 'The Dragon'.

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Hmmm....XD

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: It was taken from other site and "adapted"

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: *twitch* thought it was dragons.

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: *chuckles* Any truth in it?

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: *shrugs* I dont think there is, some folk might argue with me though, and they have a right to believe, even if it is that dragons really do exist...*twitch twitch* it hurts me to say that

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Awww *pets* You'll be alright, I'm sure :P

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: It makes me feel so unclean v.v

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: *gives you a playgan to torture* :P

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: bwwwweeeeeeeeeeee ^^

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: There we are :P Auntie Sarah will make it all better XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: me wuv jooh! :P

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Me wuv jooh too hehe, doesn't work for me does it? XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: lol nope :P only i get to type like a noob and get away with it, well, me and silvie

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: *pouts* XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: ehehehe ^^

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: :P

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: im addicted to percy pigs

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: ....What? XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: y'know what percy pigs are dont you? o.o

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: ...Course I do! *shifty* ¬_¬

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: :P

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: What are they? XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: they are gummy sweets shaped like pigs, only available in la marks and spencers

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Oh! o_O Expensive then XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: Jup, well £1.99 :P

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Wow, for a big bag?

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: for a medium bag, its somehting like £2.99 for a HUGE bag

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: oooo!!! Me likes :D

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: jup! they are yummy :)

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Me likes strawberry laces >) 99p in Woolworths :P

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: I <3 them too :P

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: They is bootiful ^_^

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: jup jup, i had them for lunch the other day >.>

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Ooo, that's nice XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: yep :p

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: And I love turkish delight >)

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: ooooh yesh!"

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Only the chocolate ones though =/

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: I like them all :D

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: I don't, the original ones are like ">.<"

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: i eat them in smaller doeses...very small. like sugar lump sizes lol

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: *shudders* I hates them like that XD

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: :p

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Biatch :P

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: thats me :p

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Yesh ¬_¬

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: Mwah hah hah hah

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: *le kills*

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: :O

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: *smirk*

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: *haunts*

2006-03-17 [sequeena_rae]: Damn ¬_¬

2006-03-17 [Delladreing]: hah i win

2006-03-18 [sequeena_rae]: *performs exorcism* Nope :P

2006-03-22 [Seamus Schwathe]: ...What is the distinction drawn between murder and killing?

2006-03-22 [SilverFire]: murder's when you weren't doing the world a favour by getting rid of the victim. :D

2006-03-22 [Delladreing]: ^^ what she said.

2006-03-22 [sequeena_rae]: ....Sure XD

2006-03-22 [Seamus Schwathe]: Thank you! ^_^

2006-05-05 [Linn Scarlett]: I am so glad I hang to asatru... >.> though i am gonna kick butts if they don't let me into valhall >.> yes a bad try at being funny *sighs*

2006-05-05 [Delladreing]: hehe *pets* no worries :P

2006-05-05 [Linn Scarlett]: *glowers* they'll have a big problem if they wont let me in... :p

2006-05-05 [Linn Scarlett]: though i could try and dressup like a man before i die *ponders* *grins evilish*

2006-05-05 [Delladreing]: lol or hide under a vikings...well..uh lets not go there

2006-05-05 [Linn Scarlett]: maybe we *should* go there... its the one place they won't look *chuckles* i think oden's everything piercing gaze does not look there *chuckles*

2006-05-05 [Delladreing]: XD

2006-05-05 [Linn Scarlett]: *muffles before she gets smitten* >.>

2006-05-05 [Delladreing]: lol :p

2006-05-05 [Linn Scarlett]: You might never now... there's already a storm outside... thunder the sound of... well lets not start the religiousdebate :p

2006-05-06 [Azuri]: wait wait when did this get here i so missed this....i think... O.o

2006-05-06 [Linn Scarlett]: What? That I demand to be given entrance to Valhall? >.>'

2006-05-06 [Azuri]: no no just this wiki page in general O.o

2006-05-06 [Delladreing]: Its been here for like two months :p

2006-05-06 [Azuri]: XD i so missed it XD

2006-06-19 [Maelthra]: arn't all religions the same? but with different view points? like a whole bunch of ppl looking at a mountain at a different angle?

2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: Yes, that is the Pagan way to comprehend it, trying to tell a Christian, "hey you know what, your religion is just like ours" is one way to cause a major fight.

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: Aside that we have several mountains, so to say O.o' christians just have one really big one

2006-06-19 [SilverFire]: Of course, that just means they have further to climb. :P

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: *nod nod* *sits on top of one of her own mountains enjoying the view, so to say* :p

2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: I pwn your mountains mwahaha. Sorry no idea where that came from.

2006-06-19 [Maelthra]: well if you look at it there are many beliefs of many different religions that are just worded different

2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: Yes, I understand that, but the majority of Christians, and others faiths wont.

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: *nods gravely*

2006-06-19 [Maelthra]: yup, that is what happens to ppl that are closed minded

2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: ...and it is close minded to condem someone for what their religion says. They believe their religion is the correct one, as long as they aren't weilding a flaming torch in my direction leave them to it.

2006-06-19 [sequeena_rae]: o.O Did you see that? The way that comment just turned round and bit someone in the arse? XD

2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: Happens when I am about.

2006-06-19 [sequeena_rae]: I loved it XD

2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: *bows*

2006-06-19 [sequeena_rae]: *claps and throws roses* XD

2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: Ahh thorns! *runs away*

2006-06-19 [sequeena_rae]: Oops >_>

2006-06-20 [Maelthra]: i hope you weren't suggesting that i was condeming someone for what their religion says cause i could care less if they like me for what i believe anyways.

2006-06-20 [SilverFire]: Really? Your previous comment seems to suggest that you feel anyone who doesn't share you views is closed-minded. :o How closed-minded. And since it seems pretty much everyone who read your comment drew that interpretation, maybe you should consider purchasing a dictionary to help you express yourself more clearly.

2006-06-20 [Linn Scarlett]: *can as always not resist the urge* I hope I can do some ugly judgements on you via your believe. I just can't take the shit that playgans go like "Oh but don't you no what the Christians did to US". It's what they did to 'people in ancient times that believe the same as me, which is possible, since I am an asatru and not a wicca'. And then I usually tell them that they'd favor what the christians did to them to what I am going to do to them if they don't stop pretending right now -_-

2006-06-20 [Linn Scarlett]: Making the Christian people to blame is just pathetic. Some people just suck and some are very kind, goes for all people, yes for Christians too.

2006-06-20 [Delladreing]: I wrote this wiki and many others like it, to stop people hating on Christianity and calling them close minded for having utter faith in their religion. I've been studying the theology for longer than that of pagnism, people that say "oh well they are close minded because they cannot accepy my view" tend to be clode minded.

2006-06-20 [Linn Scarlett]: *nod nod* It's funny how most people think they are always right... it must be a flaw in evolution or something

2006-06-20 [Delladreing]: Its human nature to err, only the divine can admit to their mistakes and still be great ;)

2006-06-20 [Linn Scarlett]: Hmm I feel so divine right now ;)

2006-06-20 [Delladreing]: *pets* :P

2006-06-20 [Linn Scarlett]: *grins slightly while obediently standing in Dela's mighty shadow* ;)

2006-06-20 [Delladreing]: *lmao*

2006-06-21 [Maelthra]: i did not say that anyone who does not share my views is close minded. what i was TRYING to say since you all think i need a dictionary, and probably do, is that anyone who downs anothers religion because they do not understand it is close minded because they have not taken the opportunity to learn what they are downing before they do so.

2006-06-21 [Delladreing]: That is still irellevant to the Chritian faith which is my point, they may acknowledge other religions existances, but theoretically they are not meant to accept any other religion as the truth in accordance with their scripture. Which was the point I was trying to make.

2006-06-21 [Linn Scarlett]: It is, to explain what Dela probably means: in their docterine to NOT accept other religions than their own, so any good christian, you would call "close minded", which is, in my opinion, tha biggest shit I ever heard O.o'

2006-08-22 [BarleySinger]: I would say that there are people in the world who like to "pick and choose" which pieces of various religions they like. In fact this is very common. I do have a bit of a problem with this approach, partially I like calling an egg by its actual name. I would rather not deal with people who want me to call all of the bananas in the world, eggs, just to make them feel better. 

See, in some cases there there really is an existing name for the religion or religious philosophy that a person esposes and they are just not using the right term. Some people insist on calling themselves by a name that does not really fit due to comfort with the other name, and others just do not know any better. Sometimes people keep a name that they know does not really fit in order to gain social acceptance from the peers. There are a huge number of people who call themselvs christians who are actually Deist (nearly all of the founders of the US nation were Deist, not christian - and said so repeatedly and vocally). 

In "pagandom" There are a huge number of people who call themselves "Wiccan" who are actually more like "eclectic pagans", or "non-theistic pagans", or even "animist pagans".

I know, I know, labels and splitting hairs and all that...bla bla bla....It isn;t all that incredibly important all of the time - but - personally I like to be accurate whan I am talking so that people can tell what I am talking about.

Then there is the further problem of denominations or sects within religions, which really messes things up. Some denominations are really out there as to how far they depart from standad teaching. Often this has to do with major changes in "main stream theology" that happened back a long time ago. For instance Trinitarianism was not a part of mainstram christianity until at least the 4th century woith the occurance of the Council of Nicaea (which was not wel attended by the way).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitarianism

After a specific denomination broke off from the religion, the religion coulds undergo major changes that left earlier departures in other denominations with much older ideas.

As a person who was raised fundy baptist and was for a long time a serious bible scholar, and has since those earlier days investigated the teachings of other sects of chrisitianity as well as other religions, I would say that this is a huge problem. When talking about christianity or any other religoin for that matter: which version of the religion do you mean? Most moderate believers in a givern religion ignore all of the frothing and bloodthirsty and outright icks parts of their religion. This is true in Judeism, Islam and Christianity. 

Some versions of a given religion depart so far from the standards of even earlier versions that people question if that sect is even a part of the same religion. Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses are considered by most people in government to be side branches of christianity. In fact a lot of non christiants, and not-so-active christians feel the same way.  However most of your more serious christians do not agree with the idea that their God (Jehovah) is just a transcendent space alien who was given a world (earth) to populate with his "spirit babies" as a reward for being a good mormon. They don't. They do believe in some sort of metaphysical redemption for curing their inherited sin nature, by way of christs death by proxy. Jehovahs Witnesses on the other hand believe that Jesus failed in his mission and was not supposed to die at all.

So the question of how far off of the beaten trail you can go..before you are on another totally different trail, comes to mind. This was actually the reason for the creation of the Roman Churches Inquisition. They wanted to have one and only one theology. At the time they had thousands of them, and a huge number of the local priests seemed to be preaching their own personal version of the religion.

Some religious denominations do not allow for this degree of freedom of personal belief inside of their specific sect. They don't wan't it, and do not allow it, but instead want everybody to believe exactly the same things, which oddly enough is also hallmark of a "cult-like" organisation. The more control is exherted over the people in a group (socially, financially, control of allowable information, claims of being "specially appointed" as a source of information, etc) the more cult tlike the group. A lack of extreme social control tends to go along with more moderate religious beliefs, in which people tend to just ignore those portions of their religions which are not to their ethical taste.

2008-04-22 [Killopkie]: Like how people seem to put labels and images in their minds on words. Like the word "God". To some people it means the divine one. To others it may be offensive because of the labels put on it. Fact is that in one place "fish" might mean "shovel", and in the other "shovel" might have no meaning at all.
Also, how can you say that someone can't make up something in their own mind and call it their religion? Religions are all human made anyway. People just up and thought of them, because the human mind is a great thing capable of creating amazing things, as well as capable of destroying amazing things. But yeah, anyone that makes up their own way of things is completely entitled to it, because it's all made up in the first place. Made up as in from the human mind.
Also, we shouldn't separate ourselves from each other. We are all one identity, we are all part of each other, maybe not by mind or body, but by presents, we are all on the same plane.
ok, no more rambling from me.

2008-04-22 [SilverFire]: Your claim that religion is man-made is very obviously simply your opinion, and I'm at a loss as to why you think you can present it as a fact that apparently doesn't even need verification (judging by the lack of it you give). Most theists will object to your view, as rightly they should. They think they're expressing facts about the physical as well as the spiritual world which are true independent of belief in them. You're telling them, with no justification, that it's all in their head.

2008-04-22 [Linn Scarlett]: You know, I could put my glasses on and start this enormous comment about my recent research concerning Neanderthals and 'religion'. But you know, my glasses are too far away. Can't reach them without getting up. So I'll keep it simple, just imagine me telling this whole story about Neanderthals which will come to the point that what I really mean to say is: I agree with Silver. As much as I like quoting one of our dearest (*spits on ground*) philosophers "Religion is the opium of the people", that is just my opinion. Which still means you have no right what so ever to tell people it's all just in their head. Sort-a-rude, you know? So there. *Goes to stand near the mob behind Silver*

2008-04-22 [Linn Scarlett]: Also, this might just be the scientist in me but I have to say this: "OMG WTF YOU USE WIKIPEDIA AS A RELIABLE SOURCE?" Let's just say I trust wikipedia with objective information as much as I trust El Pacino with my life.

2008-04-22 [SilverFire]: I find wikipedia a good place to start research, given a random topic, read wikipedia, then go away thinking 'right, I need to find books on x, y and z.' My lecturers agree. Great to figure out what to research, but not for actually researching. :P

2008-04-22 [Linn Scarlett]: You know what I mean *smacks Silvie on the nogging* ;)

2008-04-22 [SilverFire]: Reminds me of Noggin the Nog. <3

2008-04-22 [Linn Scarlett]: *skullcrunches* STFU <3

2008-07-22 [Singing my own Song]: Whilst helping out our old RE teacher to move rooms, a friend and I sat looking for religious quotes to stick up around the walls. One really nice quote (I can’t remember who by) was something along the lines of --> “Religion is a candle with a multi-coloured shade. We all look through a different colour but the candle is still there.” It is a really nice idea that all religions are the same just seen through a different perspective. But I think it should just STAY and idea because there is no way you could convince everyone that it was a fact. Sorry that I’ve just given my random input lol but this rant just reminded my of the quote. (we really made a very good display xD)

2008-07-30 [Linn Scarlett]: If you could convince everyone of that, there wouldn't be so many different religions nowadays. But religions all do basically the same at their core: order the world, reassure the people, ease the pain of death

2009-01-31 [hanhepi]: at the risk of being a semi-fucktard here, i can kinda-sorta-almost seehow christianity and paganisim could converge.
hear me out-
there are schools of thought and intelligent theoligists who think that old testiment stories borrow from more ancient folklore. the garden story for example... theres a bit where they illude to an earlier woman than eve.. lillith, possibly adams first wife who was a bit of a bitch, and later became the reason we sing lullibies to babies (to scare her soul sucking ass away.) i wish i could refer you to speciffic web-sites or something, but i watched this show on the history channel that discussed it. there were other examples, but thats the one i can remember all the names for.

so, theoretically, if you go back far enough, the bible is just a serries of stories the judeo-christian faiths have created/ changed in the spirit of artistic one-up-manship.

2009-01-31 [hanhepi]: yup, i'll more than likely go to hell for buying into it.

2009-01-31 [Delladreing]: Haha. No I do see what you mean, but that's only if you go back far enough and accept that it's a whole load of myths piled on top of each other. This flaunts the idea that every word in the Bible is the exclusive Christian truth.

2009-01-31 [hanhepi]: true. i have run into christians that believe god himself (not someone acting on His behalf, but Him personally) wrote the bible. (and in English 9 times out of 10.) i suppose i'm a shitload more... liberal if you will. i dont figgure god in all his infanate wisdom really gave/gives enough of a shit to write things down. maybe to inspire others to do so, but cretainly never set pen to paper or (stick to tablet for that matter, being as the Bic corperation wasnt even imagined at the time of the origional texts). i dunno though. i'd likely be branded a heritic by 99% of "true" christians. you know, the ones who think of god once a week, when they go to their fashion show, um.. i mean church.

2009-01-31 [Delladreing]: It's the "liberal" minded folks who allow the combination of the two, but when all is said and done, as a Christian your religious job description as it were reads "One God" and thus a denial that anyone other than Jesus and Prophets have "magical powers."

2009-01-31 [hanhepi]: as a whole, i dont buy into the bible. i like the moral to most of the stories, and i find them interesting, but i'm no great christian. i've broken all the commandments just about, except the making of idols, and murder one (so far. been tempted to break the murder one... i think we all have). i only classify myself as a "christian" because it comes the closest to what i am. (good ol' j.c. made me not have to offer actual sacrfices at the temple and what-not.) i'm not big into converting anyone to follow any religion (though i may try to sway them twards my way of thinking.) all in all , im lazy (in every aspect of my life, not just religiously), i dont like to argue, and i believe that the way people were "converted" back in the day was shitty. to each his own is sortta my motto. i have no real problem with any religion (or the absence of it). i'm a shitty christian all in all, if i was an employee, i'd have been fired long ago. even the jesus stories practice a lot of one-up-manship... "oh? you romans need a bunch of gods... look wha this one guy can do.. and he's only gods bastard child...." seems to be the root of it, from what i can tell. i use the bible, but in a theoretical way... theres a lot of good in it, but a lot of bs too. 

2009-01-31 [hanhepi]: i'm just trying to explain me, not make excuses (though i do sound a lot like exactly what you describe here in a lot of ways.)

2009-01-31 [Delladreing]: Ah I'm not saying you're a good or bad Christian, I just...how can I put this. I don't like it when people deliberately mix and mash religions and then say something like "But it's just like this!" which to a Christian of the less liberal mindset...no it really isn't.

It works from a pagan or even a very liberal Christian viewpoint. But if you follow the Bible to The Word, then you cannot link the two. It's blasphemy.

2009-01-31 [hanhepi]: oh well yes, to those that follow the bible to the word, it would be blasphemous, or should be. (or heretical, i always get the terms confused.) the same way that breaking the commandments (any of them) should be really bad. even #3 (useing God Damn loosely, or saying "Jeeesus H. Christ" when you stub your toe.)
so, it does work -the linking of the two- from a pagan P.O.V.?

2009-01-31 [hanhepi]: and by the way, i just read that you are studding to become an english teacher. i was always scared of mine... please dont flunk me.i know i suck with capitalization and spelling, and creative writing, and grammer sometimes, but i'm a huge ass kisser... i mean um.. i try really hard to do it right unless i'm typing fast so i dont loose my train of thought...

2009-01-31 [Delladreing]: Aha, it's okay. It's not like I am actually grading you on the comments ;)

And I can see the point that it works, but ONLY from a certain pov. The person I was dealing with at the time claimed it resolved a lot of Christian dispute. When it really didn't. What it was throw Christian doctrine and theory out the window.

2009-02-01 [hanhepi]: the only thing that will resolve "christian dispute" would be if there were no christians. :/ true of all faiths as far as i know. i believe there are always factionsand sub-groups and whatnot. about the only thing all christian sects believe is that there was a jesus, and he did die for "our sins". i'm not swearing anything, but i bet theres a small cult or 3 that dont even believe that. its a problem with no solution really.
and then of course, if all the christian sects agree with each other 100%, theres all the other religions left to hate. sigh. to fix it all, you'd have to fix all people. litterally fix them: spay/neuter kind of "fix". THEN, in a generation or so, the problem would be solved. :D

2010-10-27 [BarleySinger]: Just curious as to which bible translation version your used to quote your 10 commandments from. There are so very many of them, and there are serious differences. ANYWAY...The ones I grew up with said "no other gods before me" not "besides me". This leaves a hole for some sorts of polytheism, just not true fetishism, where on object is imbued with power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry

2010-10-31 [Delladreing]: Can't look it up right now as I'm in the US and living with a recovered catholic but I'm quite sure it was the King James Bible I used, seen as how that was the one I was raised on.

2010-11-01 [Azuri]: The King James version is what my grandpa uses to preach from and I'm pretty sure I do remember hearing Before Me while in church.

2010-11-01 [hanhepi]: i was also raised on the king james version where Exodus 20:3 reads "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

but in our Baptist household, the commandments started there, the first 2 passages were just buildup to that, so it could be just the difference in which churches are preaching what. 

it was basically like this on the plaque in our house, and what we heard from the pulpit(verses shortened cause i'm lazy):
1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image (etc)
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
4) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
5) Honour thy father and thy mother
6) Thou shalt not kill
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery
8) Thou shalt not steal
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house,(etc)

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