2012-10-19 [Stephen]: No idea what a good name would be.
2012-10-19 [iippo]: Built-in Google Map was pretty good I thunked >_>
2012-10-19 [Avaz]: Human Compass
We Don't Need No Stinkin' Maps!
2012-10-19 [Stephen]: I like those more. xD
2012-10-19 [Viking]: Built-in Google Map is certainly better than Built-in Apple Map. Though I've heard that Built-in Nokia Map might be better.
2012-10-19 [SilverFire]: Built in Apple Maps would be the ability to get lost even when you know exactly where you are and where you're going.
2012-10-19 [Stephen]: x)
That's tempting to add, but it's really not a super power sadly.
2012-10-19 [Triola]: I wouldn't want a built in Google Map at all. Sometimes, getting lost in foreign cities is part of the fun :D
I suppose that can be true, but only sometimes. It's not useful when you're in a rush or on a schedule.
2013-05-03 [SilverFire]: O_O
Dude. All the mega abuse that last one is open for. X_x
2013-05-03 [iippo]: I know. BUT! It is also open for doing a lot of good. You could be this drunk angel, that makes sure drunks get home safe and stuff.
Also, the superpower is useless when people don't drink themselves stupid...
2013-05-03 [Viking]: I rather like it.
2013-05-03 [SilverFire]: Just because someone drinks themselves stupid it doesn't mean they deserve other people being a dick to them. :/ The implications of that sentence are worrying.
2013-05-03 [Viking]: You're just assuming someone with this superpower would use it foe evil only.
2013-05-04 [SilverFire]: Uh, no. I'm not.
2013-05-04 [iippo]: Well it does sound like you are...
The reason I would want this superpower (and why I came up with it) is because I have to dodge drunks at work. I just want them to make a frigging hole for a bicycle to pass through, but since they have drunk themselves stupid they won't do that. I would make them part like the red sea and pass through and then let go and no one would even have noticed.
I don't think anyone ever deserves other people being a dick to them, but usually if you are a dick to other people other people are going to be dicks to you, it's more like a consequence than something deserved. Kinda like you don't deserve to die if you drink and drive, but it is a possible consequence. Drunks very frequently are dicks to other people, so someone with the superpower might be inclined to be a dick back. Or they might not. The morals of the superpower usage are not really part of the wiki.
And also, it cannot be stressed enough that it's not actually hard to be totally immune to this superpower, unlike all the other ones.
Which sentence do you find worrying? Is it just a wording (and how would it be worded bettar then?)
2013-05-04 [Triola]: I don't see how the idea of this superpower is any more worrying than the idea of any other superpower ever conceived. I mean, if you look at the powers you can find in Marvel or DC comics, any one of them would be terrifying in the wrong hands. That's true of any power, whether super or not. Political power. Economic power. Pure physical strength. It's all open to mega abuse.
2013-05-04 [SilverFire]: No, it sounds like I'm pointing out that it's open for massive abuse. Nowhere have I ever said "and omigosh that is the only way anyone would ever use it, evar." Since when did pointing out a problem with something amount to "you're just assuming that problem will occur 100% of the time?" Where am I saying that? Shoooow meeeee.
I pretty much already figured why you'd come up with it, which was also the reason I assumed that you might not have realised when you came up with it what some other people might use it for, and hey, that's why I pointed it out! And apparently doing that is wrong somehow 'cause you're all managing to sound like in doing so I'm somehow being unreasonable. :/ Or maybe I just know too many women who've had men grope them, sexually harass them, etc. when they're drunk, because hey! drunk women deserve it; so that's what comes more immediately to my mind.
The sentence I find troubling is this one: "Also, the superpower is useless when people don't drink themselves stupid..."
Because of the combination of implication and context.
I say "someone could be a real dick with that power" and your response seems to be to point out that it wouldn't happen if they didn't "drink themselves stupid" (which is already a loaded way of saying it) which is kinda' shifting the responsibility on to them, rather than on the person with the super-power. And how is that different from saying "well if women don't want to be raped they shouldn't wear short skirts?" It's pretty bizarre to even be discussing this in terms of an impossible hypothetical super-power, but essentially, I don't think it's fair to say "oh, well, if you don't want someone to invade your mind, take away your free will and force you to commit a murder for them, then don't get drunk!" How about just not invading someone's mind? <_<
(Also I would dispute the idea that drunks are "very frequently" dicks to other people. Maybe the ones you meet are. Maybe the ones that are harmless are at home. Not being dicks and bothering you. And the kind of abuse I'm thinking of is hardly justifiable with tit-for-tat anyways. If anything ever is justifiable by that anyway.)
2013-05-04 [SilverFire]: Sure, Marvel and DC superpowers are massively problematic; but the fact that I'm not discussing that here doesn't somehow invalidate my argument.
Also, I think it's the only superpower on *this wiki* which is open to that level of abuse. You can't rape someone and get away with it using the 100% accuracy superpower. or the "I'll have the chicken please" super power. Or the correct change superpower. Or the Threadless superpower. etc.
2013-05-04 [iippo]: I did realise the rape thing and I did intentionally leave it out (so anyone who would on their own think that that would be a great way to use this power could just seep in their own gross nasty human being-ness, and if they expressed that sentiment I'd probably boot them off the wiki for being a nasty piece of scum - sort of a who-smelt-it-d
(And I think this is why you are getting so much resistance on this point: for my part I know I only think of how I would use the superpower in my everyday life, and I don't see why I would have to consider the possible different ways that someone else could abuse that power if they had it. Why is that all of a sudden part of the thing?)
Okay, correction, stupid drunks are very frequently dicks to other people. Some people get jolly when they're drunk, some people get sad, some people get stupid. This is my definition of drinking yourself stupid: when you do things while drunk that are very stupid things to do, like picking fights, saying stupid things, being inconsiderate to other people, and being an all-round irresponsible person. If you commit an action (drink) that makes you turn into a person like that (stupid), you are still completely responsible for all your actions that you committed in your stupid state. You are to blame for being stupid.
And yeah, maybe you can pick the (not so) subtle undertone in all this that I think drinking is stupid and people shouldn't do it, and I'd love to have a superpower to make people think twice about drinking themselves stupid. But mostly it's to get the morons out of my way.
2013-05-04 [SilverFire]: "There is nothing that says that only innocent and abuse-free superpowers are allowed on the wiki." That's nice to know, but relevant how, exactly? I didn't demand, ask or even imply that you should do anything about it. I just drew attention to one thing.
"You're doing that thing you always do and I fucking hate it." Well that made it all so clear.
"There is nothing anywhere that implies that you are not always completely responsible for the things you do with superpowers." Well, I kinda' disagree with that one, and that's sort of what we've been discussing: the fact that I took that one sentence as implying that.
"And I don't understand why you would imply that I'd be cool with someone getting raped because they were drunk or if they were wearing a short skirt or for any reason"
I don't think I DID imply that, and if I did, I'm sorry. But your sentences did seem to me to imply that you thought people should avoid this power by not getting drunk, and, in terms of the structure of your argument, I don't see the difference to the example I gave of rape (and giving that example doesn't imply I think you're fine with that. If anything, surely it implies the opposite? 'i think this is bad reasoning and here is an example of why' only works if you're pretty sure that the other person also agrees that the example is bad somehow).
"and I don't see why I would have to consider the possible different ways that someone else could abuse that power if they had it. Why is that all of a sudden part of the thing?"
I don't think I asked you to do that either. Again, I haven't asked, demanded or otherwise implied I think something needs to be done here. I just pointed something out. You don't HAVE to consider these things, do I HAVE to keep my mouth shut when I do?
All I did was remark that 'holy crap, that's so open to abuse'. From my point of view, you're the one making mountains here. What exactly are you "resisting"? :/