2008-10-23 [Jitter]: How about those who have the coloured badge but by entering just so many contests?

2008-10-23 [SilverFire]: ...They're not veterans? :S

2008-10-23 [Mordigen]: i think there needs to be some more indepth clarification between newbie/vet. i haven't gotten involved with any of the newbiw/vet contests -- but this conversation, along with my original impressions confuses the subject greatly. Im not new to Elftown or Contests, official or unofficial, therefor it would never occur to me to enter the "newbie" contest vs. the "vet" contest just because I have never won one. and I don't think that alone should set apart newbies / vets. I think experience and familiarity should, either lack of that because you are new to ET entirely, or lack of that due to the fact that you are just not a contest junkey and are not familiar with how the official contests work should qualify you as a newbie, and that alone.

I may be rambling way off subject, or rambling about something that is already in place, or just flat out irrelevant, but I'm stating my opinion on the matter because this convo really confused me, and it made it out as if you can only be considered a Vet to any of the contests only if you have won one....and I disagree with that.

but completely ignore me if I have been mistaken ;P

2008-10-23 [SilverFire]: The reason we had the veterans contest in the first place is because some people felt that those who have won contests might feel it unfair that they were not allowed to enter the newbie contest (which only those who HAVEN'T won a contest can enter). So we gave them their own contest, which only those who HAVE won contests can enter. Making it so that non-winners could enter the veteran contest would completely defeat its point and purpose. :P

2008-10-23 [Mordigen]: but it is also unfair to force people who are not newbies to enter a "newbie" contest just because they have not won an official contest in the past -- official contests are tough shit to win, because the "official" status comes with set-out standards on quality, technique and skill and so on and so forth etc -- meaning, the contests are quite good, and quite a challenege. So it is much more difficult to win an official contest, and to call someone a newbie just because they didn't place in quite a good challenge is not fair to them either. And allowing regular enter...enterers? enterees? you get the word I'm looking for there -- allowing them to enter a vet contest wouldn't defeat the point of it, so long as the people who HAVE won are still allowed to enter too -- but forcing them to enter a "newbie" contest belittles their past contributions and efforts. A newbie contest should be for just that -- newbies, not "newbies and non-newbies that havent won"  thats a bit condescending.

2008-10-23 [Nita]: OK, how about this: non-winners who consider themselves "newbies" can enter a Newbie contest, anyone can enter a Veteran contest?

2008-10-23 [Mordigen]: well, i wouldn't go as far as saying *anyone* can enter a veterans contest, because then it really does take away from the principal behind it. I think that newbies, and any non-winners that want to enter, or consider themselves newbies can enter newbie contests -- and then winners, and non-winners that regularly enter official contests can enter a vet. contest.

but, once again - that is just my suggestion on the matter. :)

2008-10-23 [SilverFire]: I think you're placing too much emphasis on what we chose to call them, "newbie" and "veteran" should both be said in huge inverted commas, I agree that they're badly named, though.

2008-10-23 [Thunder God Cid]: Why not say beginners and advanced?

2008-10-23 [SilverFire]: That doesn't solve the problem at all. Many people eligible to enter the "newbie" contest ARE advanced artists, they just happen not to have won a contest yet. It's just as much a misnomer to call them a "beginner" as it is to call them a "newbie".

2008-10-23 [Thunder God Cid]: Well then if you think about it, is there anyway to solve the classification issue?

2008-10-24 [iippo]: One way would be to not have the classifications at all :P Fortunately most contests are like that.

2008-10-24 [Calico Tiger]: Newbie was shorter than "People who haven't won a contest yet" and "losers" is just mean. Newbie doesn't sound so bad now, does it? ;) But feel free to suggest another name for what the contest is :D

2008-10-24 [Mordigen]: That is the point I was trying to make though - the badly named classification, and the fact that if it is under that classification, it should be better arranged.

but yes, it would be easier to just take away the classifications, or rename them.
IT would be much easier to just remove the classification titles, and just specify the rules in the contest itself rather then trying to label them one thing over another like :

Moon beam contest, part 1
and make specific rules on people who have won before cannot enter

then Moon beam contest, part 2
and make specific rules on people who have won before ONLY can enter 

etc.

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2008-11-12 [Chimes]: As I am now a Featured Image Boss... Should I put it next to my username?

2008-11-12 [SilverFire]: Not until you're not a trainee.

2008-11-12 [Chimes]: Alrighty. :]

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