2007-01-11 [Sunrose]: May the first comment be a credit to the wonderful Franzie ([Ocean Soul]) for drafting this up past August! *glomps*

2007-01-13 [Ocean Soul]: Welcome, welcome ;) *is glomped*

2007-01-20 [Linderel]: "- make a drawing/painting that was referenced by some photo/drawing/painting of someone else, but to achieve the portrait of the celeb/character you wanted to make: you made fanart/inspired are/use of the character's name/own art." <- this confuses me. :P

2007-01-20 [Sunrose]: Using someone elses photo/drawing of a celeb/anime to make your artpiece of that celeb/anime, I think :)

2007-01-20 [Linderel]: My brain is going into knots trying to understand that sentence. xD Could it be expressed in a more simple way?

2007-01-20 [Sunrose]: I'll wait till Franzie gets here to make sure I read it right :P

2007-01-20 [Linderel]: Okies. :3

2007-01-20 [Ocean Soul]: Uh yes, you got it right.. sorry for making it sound difficult >_>
The point is to express there, that eventhough you used a reference, you weren't meaning to copy but to make your own thing with it. Like, if I used a photo on sunny to make a painting of marylin monroe, because sunny has this magnificent cool pose in one photo xD

2007-01-21 [Sunrose]: *^_^*

2007-01-21 [Linderel]: Okay. If it's so, I think what would fix the sentence. Not 'by' but 'from'. Would make much more sense.

2007-01-21 [Ocean Soul]: Go ahead ^_^

2007-01-21 [Linderel]: ^_^

2007-02-21 [Jitter]: <3 Will post that on my diary too Franz <3 you rock

2008-02-02 [Mordigen]: Could there possibly be some elaboration on the "copying" subject -- something to possibly include reproductions, as reproductions are legitimate.

Maybe something explaining the differences between a reproduction VS. plain ol copying/stealing or Tracing?

2008-02-02 [Sunrose]: Define Reproduction @Google:
replica: copy that is not the original; something that has been copied

I'm not sure what you want us to do? A reproduction = a copy?
The rules for copying are on this page..

2008-02-02 [iippo]: Well in art education there is a long lasting tradition for students to make reproductions of famous works of art for practice. So they would say "here is my reproduction of a Turner" and show a painting that is as close to a Turner as they could make it - it is simply a test of skill. I think the difference between a copy and reproduction in this context is that you don't even try to claim anything of the piece as your own except the material/physical object of the painting. This practice was rendered out-dated by the Age of Mechanical Reproduction, and it doesn't apply at all on an internet context... So I'm not sure what Mordi meant as such.

I recall hearing it mentioned that ET doesn't hate copying/reproduction for the sake of learning a technique as long as the original is credited (I personally would object to copies being submitted to contests too).

2008-02-03 [Mordigen]: Well, I know that a reproduction is a copy, but looking at it from a traditional or artistic aspect, it is regarded differently than just plain ol copying. It is indeed a matter of skill rather than specifically creativity or creation, but to be able to make a reproduction does show a lot of skill and talent, the term copy in itself sounds quite harsh, and almost of a cop out -- as in, if you say someones piece is a copy....it tends to sound like you are lessening the legitimacy of the work, time or skill put into it -- the terms described under "copy" on this page do pretty much refer to reproduction, but the point of me mentioning it is that the term copy itself can be misinterpreted differently, some people here "copy" and immediately think "stolen", some people here "copy" and think, referrence, or inspired. The term "copy" is vague on individual interpretation -- Besides, on a personal note, I tend to think copying more of ......well, tracing basically, and was wondering if there could be any lil bit more elaboration on the differences between copied work as in reproductions, and copied work as in tracing -- and what WOULD be allowed, and what wouldnt be.

IE-- copied work, as in tracing, is NOT a reproduction, it is a trace -- and just like in EW, traces would be rejected, I dont think traces should be allowed.....because it's almost like a loophole in getting copyrighted work on ET. (thats my opinion anyhow)

but copied work as in reproductions, as is already described on this page, are allowed so long as well credit is given.

That is what I meant by a little more elaboration.

And no -- I do agree that I don't think reproductive or copied work should be allowed in contests, unless it was a contest specifcially regarding reprodution skills.

2008-02-03 [Sunrose]: It would create an impossible situation for us if we'd allow reproductions and not copies.
People would start to claim their copy is actually a reproduction, and the difference between these two would be difficult to prove.

2008-02-03 [Mordigen]: Ah, alright -- well i definately see that point then, nevermind :P It was just a thought, but that is definately a very good point, I didn't think of that, sorry.

2008-02-03 [Sunrose]: I certainly understand this artistic wish too :)