[Imperator]: Nah, the liberals would say that it was just an Osama look-alike and it's a government conspiracy.

[Mortified Penguin]: They might even try to say that Osama was actually innocent and it was all a government plot to kill a poor innocent man and start a war with some Middle Eastern countries to steal their oil...

[Imperator]: Well it's not America's fault that the oil is in the wrong country and we have to go get it ourselves...

[Mortified Penguin]: So, tell me... do you people think we should pull out of Iraq?

[Doormat]: No, just stay there 'till your whole economy collapses and you lapse into anarchy (Y)

[Imperator]: Or until the Iraqi government is completely stable and we've won the war. The second part is already complete.

[Mortified Penguin]: We're the most powerful country on the planet. It's our duty to help out smaller countries like Iraq... and since we've already begun rebuilding over there, it would be idiotic for us to pull out now. We got rid of the old government, now we have to fix up the new one. What kind of people would we be if we just went over there, destroyed the government, and left?

[Imperator]: Romans. Which wouldn't be too bad either but liberals are always complaining about something they call ethics so they've basically called their own cut-and-run plan unethical...

[Doormat]: You completely missed my economy point. Reread.

[Imperator]: American economic problems don't stem from the war. It might play a small part becuase it increases the debt but that's already so high it barely matters anymore.

[Doormat]: Do you realize how much you've spent on the War in Iraq?

Let's just say a few hundred billions. 

[Imperator]: So? We're about to dump 700 billion into the economy because some bankers were greedy and that's had a bigger effect than a war that's been going on for years.

[Mortified Penguin]: Stupid bankers... gave out too many loans to stupid people... *eats ramen*...

[Doormat]: Wait a few years until you want to go to college/university, you may well be one of those stupid people with loans. 

That is, if there are any banks still around. 

Greedy bankers have little effect when all of America's energy and money is being poured into warfare. 

[Imperator]: Those loans were made to people that couldn't afford to buy a house, not college students.

All the banks that have collapsed are giant corporations that only do risky loans with big returns and they don't even do regular banking anymore. Regional banks are perfectly stable and safe. The companies that have gone down deserved it.

If the banks have no effect, then why are they having a massive effect?

[Mortified Penguin]: If America's economy collapses, the rest of the world's will as well. Great Depression II! ...*eats ramen*... and do you know what got us out of the first depression...? ...a good ol' fashion world war. So do you know what we're going to have to do if the economy fails? That's right! WWIII! ...I can't wait!

[Doormat]: Ever hear of student loans? Also, do you know how rare it is for people to actually throw down the few hundred grands to purchase a house? Mortgage and loans are often the only choice. 

I'm sure you'll be drafted. America is too weak from Iraq to pull off another war. That is, unless they want world scorn by attacking Iran or suicide by attacking North Korea. The world's economy doesn't depend on America either. 

[Mortified Penguin]: If I'm drafted, I wouldn't mind too much. And the army isn't weak at all... we've got plenty of soldiers still in reserve over here. And yeah, the world's economy would crumble if the U.S.'s did.

North Korea isn't on our hitlist anymore. Even if they were, we could destroy them pretty easily...

[Imperator]: Strangly enough, I have heard of student loans. I must not be mentally retarded... Hmmmm... And I fully understand that few homes are paid for in cash however the loans that were made were made to people that knew they couldn't afford it and the banks knew they couldn't afford it and sometimes the banks even lended 150% of the cost of the home with no down payment at all. Pure greed.

Please avoid pretending you understand something that you clearly don't. Stock markets around the world are falling just as the U.S. stock market falls. Tell me they aren't linked.

And [Mortified Penguin] is right again. The U.S. easily has the strength to crush Iran and now N. Korea is cooperating with the U.N. nuclear watchdog. You shouldn't listen to all your biased sources so much because they're clearly underestimating America.

[Doormat]: I'm sure nuclear warfare is on the top of the list of things wanted, but then again you two have a few years to become less ignorant, or not. 

It's not that the army is weak, it's the couple thousands that die there. It can be you or anyone. 

I don't see our economy crumbling over here. Sure tuition has gone up a few hundred (~$5000 for the year), but that's nothing compared to the US $10000+. Maybe war funds can go towards education? 

But as long as the US is the "World Police," that's not going to change. 

[Imperator]: Thank you for avoiding nearly every argument I made and proving me right. As for nuclear war, the only nation that might actually do such a thing is Iran so all the more reason to destroy them first.